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In asynchronous (or asymmetric) mode that=E2=80=99s = not too >=20 >=20 > On Ampere Processor hardware there is no penalty since the logic is = build > into the usual read/write paths. This is by design. There may be on = other > platforms that cannot do this. You helpfully cut out all the explanation of where the performance penalty comes from. But if it=E2=80=99s as you say I can only assume = your design chooses to stall all stores until they have actually written, in which case you have a performance cost compared with hardware that omitted MTE or optimises for non-synchronous MTE. The literature on MTE agrees that it is not no penalty (but can be low penalty). I don=E2=80=99t= really want to have some big debate here about the ins and outs of MTE, it=E2=80=99s not the place for it, but I will stand up and point out = that claiming MTE to be =E2=80=9Cno performance penalty=E2=80=9D is = misrepresentative of the truth Jess