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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	 Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	willy@infradead.org,  david@redhat.com,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, chrisl@kernel.org,
	 ying.huang@intel.com, 21cnbao@gmail.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	 shy828301@gmail.com, ziy@nvidia.com, ioworker0@gmail.com,
	 da.gomez@samsung.com, p.raghav@samsung.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] support large folio swap-out and swap-in for shmem
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:42:59 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <25ae21b4-23d5-73ba-2e0a-e642ec4b69a0@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2683b71d-aebd-5527-348c-18c0e021b653@google.com>

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> 
> and on second attempt, then a VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO(!folio_contains) from
> find_lock_entries().
> 
> Or maybe that VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO() was unrelated, but a symptom of the bug
> I'm trying to chase even when this series is reverted:

Yes, I doubt now that the VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO(!folio_contains) was related
to Baolin's series: much more likely to be an instance of other problems.

> some kind of page
> double usage, manifesting as miscellaneous "Bad page"s and VM_BUG_ONs,
> mostly from page reclaim or from exit_mmap(). I'm still getting a feel
> for it, maybe it occurs soon enough for a reliable bisection, maybe not.
> 
> (While writing, a run with mm-unstable cut off at 2a9964cc5d27,
> drop KSM_KMEM_CACHE(), instead of reverting just Baolin's latest,
> has not yet hit any problem: too early to tell but promising.)

Yes, that ran without trouble for many hours on two machines. I didn't
do a formal bisection, but did appear to narrow it down convincingly to
Barry's folio_add_new_anon_rmap() series: crashes soon on both machines
with Barry's in but Baolin's out, no crashes with both out.

Yet while I was studying Barry's patches trying to explain it, one
of the machines did at last crash: it's as if Barry's has opened a
window which makes these crashes more likely, but not itself to blame.

I'll go back to studying that crash now: two CPUs crashed about the
same time, perhaps they interacted and give a hint at root cause.

(I do have doubts about Barry's: the "_new" in folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
was all about optimizing a known-exclusive case, so it surprises me
to see it being extended to non-exclusive; and I worry over how its
atomic_set(&page->_mapcount, 0)s can be safe when non-exclusive (but
I've never caught up with David's exclusive changes, I'm out of date).

But even if those are wrong, I'd expect them to tend towards a mapped
page becoming unreclaimable, then "Bad page map" when munmapped,
not to any of the double-free symptoms I've actually seen.)

> 
> And before 2024-06-18, I was working on mm-everything-2024-06-15 minus
> Chris Li's mTHP swap series: which worked fairly well, until it locked
> up with __try_to_reclaim_swap()'s filemap_get_folio() spinning around
> on a page with 0 refcount, while a page table lock is held which one
> by one the other CPUs come to want for reclaim. On two machines.

I've not seen that symptom at all since 2024-06-15: intriguing,
but none of us can afford the time to worry about vanished bugs.

Hugh


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-20  4:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-18  6:54 Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] mm: vmscan: add validation before spliting shmem large folio Baolin Wang
2024-06-20  6:12   ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-20  8:26     ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] mm: swap: extend swap_shmem_alloc() to support batch SWAP_MAP_SHMEM flag setting Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] mm: shmem: extend shmem_partial_swap_usage() to support large folio swap Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] mm: shmem: return number of pages beeing freed in shmem_free_swap Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] mm: filemap: use xa_get_order() to get the swap entry order Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] mm: shmem: use swap_free_nr() to free shmem swap entries Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] mm: shmem: support large folio allocation for shmem_replace_folio() Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] mm: shmem: drop folio reference count using 'nr_pages' in shmem_delete_from_page_cache() Baolin Wang
2024-06-18  6:54 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] mm: shmem: support large folio swap out Baolin Wang
2024-06-18 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] support large folio swap-out and swap-in for shmem Andrew Morton
2024-06-19  1:28   ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-19  8:16     ` Hugh Dickins
2024-06-19  8:58       ` Baolin Wang
2024-06-20  1:33       ` Andrew Morton
2024-06-20  3:59         ` Hugh Dickins
2024-06-20  6:41           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20  4:42       ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2024-06-20  6:52         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-20 16:27           ` Hugh Dickins
2024-06-20 16:51             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-25  4:54         ` Hugh Dickins

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