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Ahh, interesting. I'd assumed that once folks had in-hardware tag checks that they'd just turn on CONFIG_KASAN and be happy. Guess not! > That in turn will hopefully allow other software instrumentation > that is currently used to keep small objects secure and in turn > creates overhead. OK, so KASAN as-is is too broad. Are you saying that the kernel _currently_ have "software instrumentation" like SLAB redzoning/poisoning and you'd like to see MTE used to replace those? Are you just interested in small objects? What counts as small? I assume it's anything roughly