From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6.15] mm/vma: add give_up_on_oom option on modify/merge, use in uffd release
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 11:26:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <233o4lohzhriye27szk6mucduneuvosmnp6pmnjepz3enxjgtt@id6kwhjgysbj> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250321100937.46634-1-lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 10:09:37AM +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> Currently, if a VMA merge fails due to an OOM condition arising on commit
> merge or a failure to duplicate anon_vma's, we report this so the caller
> can handle it.
>
> However there are cases where the caller is only ostensibly trying a
> merge, and doesn't mind if it fails due to this condition.
>
Ok, so here's my problem with your idea: I don't think merge should be exposed
to vma_modify() callers. Right now (at least AIUI), you want to modify a given
VMA, you call vma_modify(), and it gives you a vma you can straight up modify
without any problems. Essentially breaks down any VMAs necessary. This feels
contractually simple and easy to use, and I don't think leaking details about
merging is the correct approach here.
> Since we do not want to introduce an implicit assumption that we only
> actually modify VMAs after OOM conditions might arise, add a 'give up on
> oom' option and make an explicit contract that, should this flag be set, we
> absolutely will not modify any VMAs should OOM arise and just bail out.
>
Thus, to me the most natural solution is still mine. Do you think it places too
many constraints on vma_modify()? vma_modify() on a single VMA, without
splitting, Just Working(tm) is a sensible expectation (and vma_merge being fully
best-effort). Things like mprotect() failing due to OOM are also pretty disastrous,
so if we could limit that it'd be great.
In any case, your solution looks palatable to me, but I want to make
sure we're not making this excessively complicated.
--
Pedro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-21 11:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-21 10:09 Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-21 11:26 ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2025-03-21 15:27 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-03-21 17:16 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-21 18:11 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-03-21 21:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-22 0:30 ` Peter Xu
2025-03-21 17:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-31 15:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-31 15:26 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-04-06 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
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