From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: "Ritesh Harjani (IBM)" <ritesh.list@gmail.com>,
Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, willy@infradead.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org
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shakeel.butt@linux.dev, kas@kernel.org, baohua@kernel.org,
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vbabka@suse.cz, lance.yang@linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] mm: thp: allocate PTE page tables lazily at split time
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2026 16:39:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <22d65938-4569-4e5e-8f30-bfe9b38b6493@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875x82ma6q.ritesh.list@gmail.com>
>>
>> Is there a way to remove this? It's always been a confusing hack, now
>> it's unpleasant to have around :)
>>
>
> Hash MMU on PowerPC works fundamentally different than other MMUs
> (unlike Radix MMU on PowerPC). So yes, it requires few tricks to fit
> into the Linux's multi-level SW page table model. ;)
:)
>
>> In particular, seeing that radix__pgtable_trans_huge_deposit() just 1:1
>> copied generic pgtable_trans_huge_deposit() hurts my belly.
>>
>
> On PowerPC, pgtable_t can be a pte fragment.
>
> typedef pte_t *pgtable_t;
>
> That means a single page can be shared among other PTE page tables. So, we
> cannot use page->lru which the generic implementation uses. I guess due
> to this, there is a slight change in implementation of
> radix__pgtable_trans_huge_deposit().
Ah, did not spot this difference, but makes sense. Still ugly, but make
sense. Fortunately it would go away with this RFC.
>
> Doing a grep search, I think that's the same for sparc and s390 as well.
... and I also did not realize that s390x+sparc have separate
implementations we can now get rid of as well.
>
>>
>> IIUC, hash is mostly used on legacy power systems, radix on newer ones.
>>
>> So one obvious solution: remove PMD THP support for hash MMUs along with
>> all this hacky deposit code.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, please no. There are real customers using Hash MMU on
> Power9 and even on older generations and this would mean breaking Hash
> PMD THP support for them.
>
I was expecting this answer :)
>
>>
>> the "vma_is_anonymous(vma) && !arch_needs_pgtable_deposit()" and similar
>> checks need to be wrapped in a reasonable helper and likely this all
>> needs to get cleaned up further.
>>
>> The implementation if the generic pgtable_trans_huge_deposit and the
>> radix handlers etc must be removed. If any code would trigger them it
>> would be a bug.
>>
>
> Sure, I think after this patch series, the radix__pgtable_trans_huge_deposit()
> will mostly be a dead code anyways. I will spend some time going
> through this series and will also give it a test on powerpc HW (with
> both Hash and Radix MMU).
Thanks! The series will grow quite a bit I think, so retesting new
revisions will be very appreciated!
>
> I guess, we should also look at removing pgtable_trans_huge_deposit() and
> pgtable_trans_huge_withdraw() implementations from s390 and sparc, since
> those too will be dead code after this.
Exactly.
--
Cheers,
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-12 15:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-11 12:49 [RFC 0/2] mm: thp: split time allocation of page table for THPs Usama Arif
2026-02-11 12:49 ` [RFC 1/2] mm: thp: allocate PTE page tables lazily at split time Usama Arif
2026-02-11 13:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-11 13:38 ` Usama Arif
2026-02-12 12:13 ` Ritesh Harjani
2026-02-12 15:25 ` Usama Arif
2026-02-12 15:39 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-02-12 16:46 ` Ritesh Harjani
2026-02-11 13:35 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-11 13:46 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-11 13:47 ` Usama Arif
2026-02-11 19:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-11 19:55 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-11 12:49 ` [RFC 2/2] mm: thp: add THP_SPLIT_PMD_PTE_ALLOC_FAILED counter Usama Arif
2026-02-11 13:27 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-11 13:31 ` Usama Arif
2026-02-11 13:36 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-11 13:42 ` Usama Arif
2026-02-11 13:38 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-11 13:43 ` Usama Arif
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