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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Stat-Signature: d3ifbi18dmw175mfw6sc4areicwjnrsj X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 222541C000E X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam08 X-HE-Tag: 1724913356-428057 X-HE-Meta: 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 bfwGAUE2 aJipjANBuVRRiNfoBK3WllkA+FIC2zdGetxkVrr8pmwkAn5RkfQ6OePpQ3jZfk6kVBSYl7U5oZIDFihh3KpdO5w11KQUBcUPgSbLe8j3K8Slb9QLQjrVdra78dsdammk6f9BVLiKpTdPW3nkGaFUut3Ehra7mvTU2F3t8R5Gri2Ebe6AfUCHEfj0yXMcqqz8ZHjGHGzMNJ9AU9pdJk67IcMe0yd4Un0Zf2MDI/R9Hq+Klbb39WKeSmMxkQr3+N+q50/OvYY+9OOwki6Q6WPyBX3xfaMSXkr1EW2K3uOcKDBT27Pwk+JpQmiZoYifNxsMOjrQVSt12ZPA+7prMMMzlPwSPj90OJVNmd5KtTZBOTWVgGM/JaLka19QzjA/iPr6XlD1z2krxiby6pgV5GJAWm7ZgcG6m/YJUgeCO0mOmL6pAbsx4IXB5DzxfXOGFxBhTZQUg X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 29.08.24 01:46, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 03:45:49PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote: > >> Meanwhile I'm actually not 100% sure pte_special is only needed in >> gup-fast. See vm_normal_page() and for VM_PFNMAP when pte_special bit is >> not defined: >> >> } else { >> unsigned long off; >> off = (addr - vma->vm_start) >> PAGE_SHIFT; >> if (pfn == vma->vm_pgoff + off) <------------------ [1] >> return NULL; >> if (!is_cow_mapping(vma->vm_flags)) >> return NULL; >> } >> >> I suspect things can go wrong when there's assumption on vm_pgoff [1]. At >> least vfio-pci isn't storing vm_pgoff for the base PFN, so this check will >> go wrong when pte_special is not supported on any arch but when vfio-pci is >> present. I suspect more drivers can break it. Fortunately, we did an excellent job at documenting vm_normal_page(): * There are 2 broad cases. Firstly, an architecture may define a pte_special() * pte bit, in which case this function is trivial. Secondly, an architecture * may not have a spare pte bit, which requires a more complicated scheme, * described below. * * A raw VM_PFNMAP mapping (ie. one that is not COWed) is always considered a * special mapping (even if there are underlying and valid "struct pages"). * COWed pages of a VM_PFNMAP are always normal. * * The way we recognize COWed pages within VM_PFNMAP mappings is through the * rules set up by "remap_pfn_range()": the vma will have the VM_PFNMAP bit * set, and the vm_pgoff will point to the first PFN mapped: thus every special * mapping will always honor the rule * * pfn_of_page == vma->vm_pgoff + ((addr - vma->vm_start) >> PAGE_SHIFT) * * And for normal mappings this is false. * remap_pfn_range_notrack() will currently handle that for us: if (is_cow_mapping(vma->vm_flags)) { if (addr != vma->vm_start || end != vma->vm_end) return -EINVAL; } Even if [1] would succeed, the is_cow_mapping() check will return NULL and it will all work as expected, even without pte_special(). Because VM_PFNMAP is easy: in a !COW mapping, everything is special. > > I think that is a very important point. > > IIRC this was done magically in one of the ioremap pfns type calls, > and if VFIO is using fault instead it won't do it. > > This probably needs more hand holding for the driver somehow.. As long as these drivers don't support COW-mappings. It's all good. And IIUC, we cannot support COW mappings if we don't use remap_pfn_range(). For this reason, remap_pfn_range() also bails out if not the whole VMA is covered in a COW mapping. It would be great if we could detect and fail that. Likely when trying to insert PFNs (*not* using remap_pfn_range) manually we would have to WARN if we stumble over a COW mapping. In the meantime, we should really avoid any new VM_PFNMAP COW users ... > >> So I wonder if it's really the case in real life that only gup-fast would >> need the special bit. It could be that we thought it like that, but nobody >> really seriously tried run it without special bit yet to see things broke. > > Indeed. VM_PFNMAP for sure works. VM_MIXEDMAP, I am not so sure. The s390x introduction of pte_special() [again, I posted the commit] raised why they need it: because pfn_valid() could have returned non-refcounted pages. One would have to dig if that is even still the case as of today, and if other architectures have similar constraints. > > What arches even use the whole 'special but not special' system? > > Can we start banning some of this stuff on non-special arches? Again, VM_PFNMAP is not a problem. Only VM_MIXEDMAP, and I would love to see that go. There are some, but not that many users ... but I'm afraid it's not that easy :) -- Cheers, David / dhildenb