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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: Introduce ptr_eq() to preserve address dependency
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 11:32:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2091628c-2d96-4492-99d9-0f6a61b08d1d@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <02c63e79-ec8c-4d6a-9fcf-75f0e67ea242@rowland.harvard.edu>

On 2024-09-28 16:49, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 09:51:27AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> Compiler CSE and SSA GVN optimizations can cause the address dependency
>> of addresses returned by rcu_dereference to be lost when comparing those
>> pointers with either constants or previously loaded pointers.
>>
>> Introduce ptr_eq() to compare two addresses while preserving the address
>> dependencies for later use of the address. It should be used when
>> comparing an address returned by rcu_dereference().
>>
>> This is needed to prevent the compiler CSE and SSA GVN optimizations
>> from replacing the registers holding @a or @b based on their
> 
> "Replacing" isn't the right word.  What the compiler does is use one
> rather than the other.  Furthermore, the compiler can play these games
> even with values that aren't in registers.
> 
> You should just say: "... from using @a (or @b) in places where the
> source refers to @b (or @a) (based on the fact that after the
> comparison, the two are known to be equal), which does not ..."

OK.

> 
>> equality, which does not preserve address dependencies and allows the
>> following misordering speculations:
>>
>> - If @b is a constant, the compiler can issue the loads which depend
>>    on @a before loading @a.
>> - If @b is a register populated by a prior load, weakly-ordered
>>    CPUs can speculate loads which depend on @a before loading @a.
> 
> It shouldn't matter whether @a and @b are constants, registers, or
> anything else.  All that matters is that the compiler uses the wrong
> one, which allows weakly ordered CPUs to speculate loads you wouldn't
> expect it to, based on the source code alone.

I only partially agree here.

On weakly-ordered architectures, indeed we don't care whether the
issue is caused by the compiler reordering the code (constant)
or the CPU speculating the load (registers).

However, on strongly-ordered architectures, AFAIU, only the constant
case is problematic (compiler reordering the dependent load), because
CPU speculating the loads across the control dependency is not an
issue.

So am I tempted to keep examples that clearly state whether
the issue is caused by compiler reordering instructions, or by
CPU speculation.

> 
>> The same logic applies with @a and @b swapped.
>>
>> The compiler barrier() is ineffective at fixing this issue.
>> It does not prevent the compiler CSE from losing the address dependency:
>>
>> int fct_2_volatile_barriers(void)
>> {
>>      int *a, *b;
>>
>>      do {
>>          a = READ_ONCE(p);
>>          asm volatile ("" : : : "memory");
>>          b = READ_ONCE(p);
>>      } while (a != b);
>>      asm volatile ("" : : : "memory");  <----- barrier()
>>      return *b;
>> }
>>
>> With gcc 14.2 (arm64):
>>
>> fct_2_volatile_barriers:
>>          adrp    x0, .LANCHOR0
>>          add     x0, x0, :lo12:.LANCHOR0
>> .L2:
>>          ldr     x1, [x0]    <------ x1 populated by first load.
>>          ldr     x2, [x0]
>>          cmp     x1, x2
>>          bne     .L2
>>          ldr     w0, [x1]    <------ x1 is used for access which should depend on b.
>>          ret
>>
>> On weakly-ordered architectures, this lets CPU speculation use the
>> result from the first load to speculate "ldr w0, [x1]" before
>> "ldr x2, [x0]".
>> Based on the RCU documentation, the control dependency does not prevent
>> the CPU from speculating loads.
>>
[...]
>> diff --git a/include/linux/compiler.h b/include/linux/compiler.h
>> index 2df665fa2964..f26705c267e8 100644
>> --- a/include/linux/compiler.h
>> +++ b/include/linux/compiler.h
>> @@ -186,6 +186,68 @@ void ftrace_likely_update(struct ftrace_likely_data *f, int val,
>>   	__asm__ ("" : "=r" (var) : "0" (var))
>>   #endif
>>   
>> +/*
>> + * Compare two addresses while preserving the address dependencies for
>> + * later use of the address. It should be used when comparing an address
>> + * returned by rcu_dereference().
>> + *
>> + * This is needed to prevent the compiler CSE and SSA GVN optimizations
>> + * from replacing the registers holding @a or @b based on their
>> + * equality, which does not preserve address dependencies and allows the

Replacing with:

  * This is needed to prevent the compiler CSE and SSA GVN optimizations
  * from using @a (or @b) in places where the source refers to @b (or @a)
  * based on the fact that after the comparison, the two are known to be
  * equal, which does not preserve address dependencies and allows the
  * following misordering speculations:

>> + * following misordering speculations:
>> + *
>> + * - If @b is a constant, the compiler can issue the loads which depend
>> + *   on @a before loading @a.
>> + * - If @b is a register populated by a prior load, weakly-ordered
>> + *   CPUs can speculate loads which depend on @a before loading @a.
>> + *
>> + * The same logic applies with @a and @b swapped.
> 
> This could be more concise, and it should be more general (along the
> same lines as the description above).

As per my earlier comment, I would prefer to keep the examples specific
rather than general so it is clear which scenarios are problematic on
weakly vs strongly ordered architectures.

[...]

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-28 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-28 13:51 [PATCH 0/2] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:49   ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:30     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 15:32     ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-09-28 15:49       ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:55         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 21:15           ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30  9:42             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 11:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-30 12:06                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 13:54                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-28 22:26           ` Alan Huang
2024-09-28 23:55             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-29  0:20               ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  8:57             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30  9:15               ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  9:27                 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  9:33                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 10:12                     ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30 11:26     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 16:43       ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30 17:05         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 18:53           ` Alan Stern
2024-10-01 17:11             ` David Laight
2024-10-01 22:57               ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02  8:13                 ` David Laight
2024-10-02 14:14                   ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02 15:24                     ` David Laight
2024-10-03  1:50                       ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-03 13:23                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 17:07                           ` David Laight
2024-10-03 18:00                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 11:54                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-10-07 13:18                             ` David Laight
2024-10-07 13:21                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 14:59                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-28 23:24   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-29 10:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq() Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:58   ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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