From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>,
Dave Chinner <dgc@kernel.org>, Tal Zussman <tz2294@columbia.edu>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Sandeep Dhavale <dhavale@google.com>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
Anuj Gupta <anuj20.g@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] RFC: use a TASK_FIFO kthread for read completion support
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:30:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260415063051.H3zA99Qh@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260415055552.GD26893@lst.de>
On 2026-04-15 07:55:52 [+0200], Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2026 at 10:23:13AM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote:
> > All softirq IO completion already works like this although
> > softirq tasks are not strictly called "RT tasks" (i.e. a non-RT
> > task issues the IO, and the softirq IO completion will interrupt
> > all ongoing tasks).
> >
> > Basically what we want is to get a non-atomic context instead of
> > using the current softirq context for read post-processing and
> > switch to the task context immediately as you said, because:
> >
> > - Our post-processing needs to work in task contexts since
> > advanced features like compression deduplication need it;
> >
> > - Even regardless of our specific requirement needing task
> > contexts, using a dedicated task context for read
> > post-processing is much better than run in the original
> > softirq context:
> >
> > - Algorithmic work could take extra time (especially slow
> > LZMA algorithm could take milliseconds on low devices
> > (however, we need a common workflow for all algorithms,
> > including fast algorithms like lz4) and verify work for
> > example); and long processing time will interfere with
> > other remaining softirq tasks like sound-playback
> > / network softirqs;
> >
> > - If it is then deferred to softirqd, it just makes this
> > latency issue _worse_.
>
> Yes, and the same applies to a lot of other things. A very similar
> algorithmic issue is the checksum validation, be that T10-PI or
> file system native checksums. We don't want to run them from
> soft/hardirq context obviously, but we really need them to preempt
> other work on the cpu, and avoid scheduling latency. The case
> that started this is a bit different - folio invalidation mostly
> needs user context to take sleeping locks, but those are usually
> uncontented. Again, getting this work done ASAP as readers
> are synchronously waiting is important.
Not sure why I ended up here but looking at the patch I don't see how is
different to the kworker solution that is removed. Unless you fiddle
with the thread priority in userland.
The get_cpu() + spin_lock usage breaks on PREEMPT_RT.
The NOHZ_FULL camp might not be happy about putting load on isolated
CPUs. I remember there was some effort to avoid those CPUs.
Sebastian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-15 6:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-09 16:02 bio completion in task enhancements / experiments Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 1/8] block: add BIO_COMPLETE_IN_TASK for task-context completion Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 2/8] iomap: use BIO_COMPLETE_IN_TASK for dropbehind writeback Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 3/8] block: enable RWF_DONTCACHE for block devices Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 4/8] FOLD: block: change the defer in task context interface to be procedural Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 20:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-10 6:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10 13:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 5:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 14:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 5/8] FOLD: don't use in_task() to decide for offloading Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 6/8] iomap: use bio_complete_in_task for buffered read errors Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 7/8] iomap: use bio_complete_in_task for buffered write completions Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 8/8] RFC: use a TASK_FIFO kthread for read completion support Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 19:06 ` Tal Zussman
2026-04-10 6:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10 22:11 ` Dave Chinner
2026-04-10 23:44 ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-10 23:53 ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-14 0:58 ` Dave Chinner
2026-04-14 2:23 ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-15 5:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 6:05 ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-15 6:30 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2026-04-15 6:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 12:49 ` Sandeep Dhavale
2026-04-15 8:28 ` David Laight
2026-04-15 5:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 5:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
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