From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/9] mm: add __GFP_PREZEROED flag and folio_test_clear_prezeroed()
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 16:37:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260413163644-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b258160c-5287-43dd-b56e-268c403b85ea@kernel.org>
On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 11:05:40AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 4/13/26 00:50, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > The previous patch skips zeroing in post_alloc_hook() when
> > __GFP_ZERO is used. However, several page allocation paths
> > zero pages via folio_zero_user() or clear_user_highpage() after
> > allocation, not via __GFP_ZERO.
> >
> > Add __GFP_PREZEROED gfp flag that tells post_alloc_hook() to
> > preserve the MAGIC_PAGE_ZEROED sentinel in page->private so the
> > caller can detect pre-zeroed pages and skip its own zeroing.
> > Add folio_test_clear_prezeroed() helper to check and clear
> > the sentinel.
>
> I really don't like __GFP_PREZEROED, and wonder how we can avoid it.
>
>
> What you want is, allocate a folio (well, actually a page that becomes
> a folio) and know whether zeroing for that folio (once we establish it
> from a page) is still required.
>
> Or you just allocate a folio, specify GFP_ZERO, and let the folio
> allocation code deal with that.
>
>
> I think we have two options:
>
> (1) Use an indication that can be sticky for callers that do not care.
>
> Assuming we would use a page flag that is only ever used on folios, all
> we'd have to do is make sure that we clear the flag once we convert
> the to a folio.
>
> For example, PG_dropbehind is only ever set on folios in the pagecache.
>
> Paths that allocate folios would have to clear the flag. For non-hugetlb
> folios that happens through page_rmappable_folio().
>
> I'm not super-happy about that, but it would be doable.
>
>
> (2) Use a dedicated allocation interface for user pages in the buddy.
>
> I hate the whole user_alloc_needs_zeroing()+folio_zero_user() handling.
>
> It shouldn't exist. We should just be passing GFP_ZERO and let the buddy handle
> all that.
>
>
> For example, vma_alloc_folio() already gets passed the address in.
>
> Pass the address from vma_alloc_folio_noprof()->folio_alloc_noprof(), and let
> folio_alloc_noprof() use a buddy interface that can handle it.
>
> Imagine if we had a alloc_user_pages_noprof() that consumes an address. It could just
> do what folio_zero_user() does, and only if really required.
>
> The whole user_alloc_needs_zeroing() could go away and you could just handle the
> pre-zeroed optimization internally.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David
I admit I only vaguely understand the core mm refactoring you are suggesting.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-13 20:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-12 22:50 [PATCH RFC 0/9] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:50 ` [PATCH RFC 1/9] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-13 19:11 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-13 20:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:50 ` [PATCH RFC 2/9] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-13 8:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-13 8:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-13 8:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-13 8:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-13 20:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:50 ` [PATCH RFC 3/9] mm: add __GFP_PREZEROED flag and folio_test_clear_prezeroed() Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-13 9:05 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-13 20:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-04-13 21:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-13 22:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-13 23:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:50 ` [PATCH RFC 4/9] mm: skip zeroing in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio for pre-zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:50 ` [PATCH RFC 5/9] mm: skip zeroing in alloc_anon_folio " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:50 ` [PATCH RFC 6/9] mm: skip zeroing in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd " Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:51 ` [PATCH RFC 7/9] mm: hugetlb: skip zeroing of pre-zeroed hugetlb pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:51 ` [PATCH RFC 8/9] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter to trigger immediate reporting Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-12 22:51 ` [PATCH RFC 9/9] virtio_balloon: a hack to enable host-zeroed page optimization Michael S. Tsirkin
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