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From: WANG Rui <r@hev.cc>
To: ziy@nvidia.com
Cc: Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	baohua@kernel.org, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
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	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, willy@infradead.org, WANG Rui <r@hev.cc>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled()
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2026 12:07:41 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260329040742.17269-1-r@hev.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52CACB9A-A782-4D11-8B6F-66DA8D345C78@nvidia.com>

Hi Zi,

>> Now without READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS you're going to:
>>
>>                        |    PF     | MADV_COLLAPSE | khugepaged |
>> 		       |-----------|---------------|------------|
>>  large folio fs        |     ✓     |       x       |      x     |
>>  large folio + r/o     |     ✓     |       ✓       |      ✓     |
>>
>> And intentionally leaving behind the 'not large folio fs, r/o' case because
>> those file systems need to implement large folio support.
>>
>> I guess we'll regress those users but we don't care?
>
> Yes. This also motivates FSes without large folio support to add large folio
> support instead of relying on READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS hack.

Interesting, thanks for making this feature unconditional.

From my experiments, this is going to be a performance regression.

Before this patch, even when the filesystem (e.g. btrfs without experimental)
didn't support large folios, READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS still allowed read-only
file-backed code segments to be collapsed into huge page mappings via khugepaged.

After this patch, FilePmdMapped will always be 0 unless the filesystem supports
large folios up to PMD order, and it doesn't look like that support will arrive
anytime soon [1].

Is there a reason we can't keep this hack while continuing to push filesystems
toward proper large folio support?

I'm currently working on making the ELF loader more THP-friendly by adjusting
the virtual address alignment of read-only code segments [2]. The data shows a
noticeable drop in iTLB misses, especially for programs whose text size is just
slightly larger than PMD_SIZE. That size profile is actually quite common for
real-world binaries when using 2M huge pages. This optimization relies on
READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS. If the availability of huge page mappings for code segments
ends up depending on filesystem support, it will be much harder to take advantage
of this in practice. [3]

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/ab2IIwKzmK9qwIlZ@casper.infradead.org/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/20260313005211.882831-1-r@hev.cc/
[3] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/20260320160519.80962-1-r@hev.cc/

Thanks,
Rui


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-03-29  4:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-27  1:42 [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 01/10] mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig option Zi Yan
2026-03-27 11:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:33   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:39     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 02/10] mm/khugepaged: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS check Zi Yan
2026-03-27  7:29   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  7:35     ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  9:44   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:45       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:12         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:26           ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:31             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:00               ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:22                 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 16:30                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  2:29                     ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:46     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:37   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:43     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 03/10] mm: fs: remove filemap_nr_thps*() functions and their users Zi Yan
2026-03-27  9:32   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 12:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:58     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:23       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:05         ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 14:35           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 15:32             ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 19:15               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 20:33                 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-02 14:35                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-02 14:38                     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 04/10] fs: remove nr_thps from struct address_space Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-30  3:06   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled() Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:12     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 15:29       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:43         ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:08           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 16:12             ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-29  4:07               ` WANG Rui [this message]
2026-03-30 11:17                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30 14:35                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-30 16:09                     ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 16:19                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-01 14:38                         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 14:53                           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 06/10] mm/huge_memory: remove folio split check for READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:50   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30  9:15   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 07/10] mm/truncate: use folio_split() in truncate_inode_partial_folio() Zi Yan
2026-03-27  3:33   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:35     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 08/10] fs/btrfs: remove a comment referring to READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 09/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS in khugepaged Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 10/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from comments in guard-regions Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:46 ` [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:26   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 14:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:30     ` Zi Yan
2026-04-05 17:38 ` Nico Pache
2026-04-06  1:59   ` Zi Yan
2026-04-06 16:17     ` Nico Pache

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