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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] mm/huge_memory: refactor zap_huge_pmd()
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 14:36:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260323143604.603b20aec4e3ab77cabec107@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <j6hsn4mxnzoukebcdggu6ojkyaj54joohocbbkrzksm47km7ni@zzp7aurwmto7>

On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 12:34:31 +0000 Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 11:31:29AM +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2026 at 05:15:30PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 20:33:11 -0700 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A lot of patchsets are "failed to apply".  What is Sashiko trying to
> > > > apply MM patches to?  It would take some smarts to apply the v2
> > > > patchset when v1 is presently in mm.git?
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > The way things are going at present, I'm just not going to apply a
> > 
> > 50% noise vs. signal?... maybe wait until we're in the 9x'%s?
> > 
> > > series which Sashiko "failed to apply".  And that's cool, I'll just
> > > wait for a version which Sashiko was able to apply.  And then not
> > > apply unless all Sashiko questions are resolved or convincingly refuted.
> > 
> > Andrew, for crying out loud. Please don't do this.
> > 
> > 2 of the 3 series I respan on Friday, working a 13 hour day to do so, don't
> > apply to Sashiko, but do apply to the mm tree.
> > 
> > I haven't the _faintest clue_ how we are supposed to factor a 3rd party
> > experimental website applying or not applying series into our work??
> > 
> > And 'not apply unless all Sashiko questions are resolved or convincingly
> > refuted.' is seriously concerning.
> 
> FWIW I wholeheartedly agree. I don't understand how we don't require proper
> M: or R: reviews on patches before merging

I wish people would stop making this claim, without substantiation. 
I've looked (deeply) at the data, which is equally available to us all.
Has anyone else?

After weeding out a few special cases (especially DAMON) (this time
also maple_tree), the amount of such unreviewed material which enters
mm-stable and mainline is very very low.

> Like, sure, sashiko can be useful, and is better than nothing. But unless
> sashiko is better than the maintainers, it should be kept as optional.

Rule #1 is, surely, "don't add bugs".  This thing finds bugs.  If its
hit rate is 50% then that's plenty high enough to justify people
spending time to go through and check its output.

> Seriously, I can't wrap my head around the difference in treatment in
> "human maintainers, experts in the code, aren't required to review a patch"

Speaking of insulting.

> vs "make the fscking AI happy or it's not going anywhere". It's almost
> insulting.

Look, I know people are busy.  If checking these reports slows us down
and we end up merging less code and less buggy code then that's a good
tradeoff.

Also, gimme a break.  Like everyone else I'm still trying to wrap my
head how best to incorporate this new tool into our development
processes.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-19 13:00 Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] mm/huge_memory: simplify vma_is_specal_huge() Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 16:52   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-19 17:16     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] mm/huge: avoid big else branch in zap_huge_pmd() Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] mm/huge_memory: have zap_huge_pmd return a boolean, add kdoc Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] mm/huge_memory: handle buggy PMD entry in zap_huge_pmd() Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-20  3:20   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] mm/huge_memory: add a common exit path to zap_huge_pmd() Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-20  3:27   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] mm/huge_memory: remove unnecessary VM_BUG_ON_PAGE() Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-20  3:31   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] mm/huge_memory: deduplicate zap deposited table call Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 17:03   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-19 17:18     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 21:56       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-20 13:59         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-20 14:14           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] mm/huge_memory: deduplicate zap_huge_pmd() further by tracking state Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-20  3:49   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-20 13:51     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-21  5:15       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-19 13:00 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] mm/huge_memory: have zap_huge_pmd() use vm_normal_folio_pmd() Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-20  3:09 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] mm/huge_memory: refactor zap_huge_pmd() Andrew Morton
2026-03-20 13:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-21  3:21   ` Roman Gushchin
2026-03-21  3:33     ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-22  0:15       ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-22  2:12         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-03-23 11:19           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-23 11:24             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-23 11:31         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-23 12:34           ` Pedro Falcato
2026-03-23 21:36             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2026-03-23 23:27               ` Pedro Falcato
2026-03-24  0:05                 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-24  7:35                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-24  7:58               ` Mike Rapoport
2026-03-24  9:55                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-24  1:08           ` Roman Gushchin
2026-03-24  7:56             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-24 15:24               ` Roman Gushchin
2026-03-24 18:05                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)

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