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From: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] docs: filesystems: clarify KernelPageSize vs. MMUPageSize in smaps
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2026 02:51:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260312025142.wued4ueww4bgcoeg@master> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260306081916.38872-1-david@kernel.org>

On Fri, Mar 06, 2026 at 09:19:16AM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>There was recently some confusion around THPs and the interaction with
>KernelPageSize / MMUPageSize. Historically, these entries always
>correspond to the smallest size we could encounter, not any current
>usage of transparent huge pages or larger sizes used by the MMU.
>
>Ever since we added THP support many, many years ago, these entries
>would keep reporting the smallest (fallback) granularity in a VMA.
>
>For this reason, they default to PAGE_SIZE for all VMAs except for
>VMAs where we have the guarantee that the system and the MMU will
>always use larger page sizes. hugetlb, for example, exposes a custom
>vm_ops->pagesize callback to handle that. Similarly, dax/device
>exposes a custom vm_ops->pagesize callback and provides similar
>guarantees.
>
>Let's clarify the historical meaning of KernelPageSize / MMUPageSize,
>and point at "AnonHugePages", "ShmemPmdMapped" and "FilePmdMapped"
>regarding PMD entries.
>
>While at it, document "FilePmdMapped", clarify what the "AnonHugePages"
>and "ShmemPmdMapped" entries really mean, and make it clear that there
>are no other entries for other THP/folio sizes or mappings.
>
>Also drop the duplicate "KernelPageSize" and "MMUPageSize" entries in
>the example.
>
>Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260225232708.87833-1-ak@linux.intel.com/
>Reviewed-by: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
>Reviewed-by: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
>Acked-by: Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) <vbabka@kernel.org>
>Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
>Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
>Cc: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
>Cc: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
>Cc: Liam R. Howlett <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
>Cc: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
>Cc: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com
>Cc: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>
>Cc: Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>
>Cc: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
>Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
>Cc: Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>
>Cc: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
>Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
>Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand (Arm) <david@kernel.org>
>---
>
>v1 -> v2:
>* Some rewording and clarifications
>* Drop duplicate entries in the example
>
>---
> Documentation/filesystems/proc.rst | 40 +++++++++++++++++++++---------
> 1 file changed, 28 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-)
>
>diff --git a/Documentation/filesystems/proc.rst b/Documentation/filesystems/proc.rst
>index b0c0d1b45b99..e2d22a424dcd 100644
>--- a/Documentation/filesystems/proc.rst
>+++ b/Documentation/filesystems/proc.rst
>@@ -464,26 +464,37 @@ Memory Area, or VMA) there is a series of lines such as the following::
>     KSM:                   0 kB
>     LazyFree:              0 kB
>     AnonHugePages:         0 kB
>+    FilePmdMapped:         0 kB
>     ShmemPmdMapped:        0 kB
>     Shared_Hugetlb:        0 kB
>     Private_Hugetlb:       0 kB
>     Swap:                  0 kB
>     SwapPss:               0 kB
>-    KernelPageSize:        4 kB
>-    MMUPageSize:           4 kB
>     Locked:                0 kB
>     THPeligible:           0
>     VmFlags: rd ex mr mw me dw
> 
> The first of these lines shows the same information as is displayed for
> the mapping in /proc/PID/maps.  Following lines show the size of the
>-mapping (size); the size of each page allocated when backing a VMA
>-(KernelPageSize), which is usually the same as the size in the page table
>-entries; the page size used by the MMU when backing a VMA (in most cases,
>-the same as KernelPageSize); the amount of the mapping that is currently
>-resident in RAM (RSS); the process's proportional share of this mapping
>-(PSS); and the number of clean and dirty shared and private pages in the
>-mapping.
>+mapping (size); the smallest possible page size allocated when backing a
>+VMA (KernelPageSize), which is the granularity in which VMA modifications
>+can be performed; the smallest possible page size that could be used by the
>+MMU (MMUPageSize) when backing a VMA; the amount of the mapping that is
>+currently resident in RAM (RSS); the process's proportional share of this
>+mapping (PSS); and the number of clean and dirty shared and private pages
>+in the mapping.
>+
>+"KernelPageSize" always corresponds to "MMUPageSize", except when a larger
>+kernel page size is emulated on a system with a smaller page size used by the
>+MMU, which is the case for some PPC64 setups with hugetlb.  Furthermore,
>+"KernelPageSize" and "MMUPageSize" always correspond to the smallest
>+possible granularity (fallback) that can be encountered in a VMA throughout
>+its lifetime.  These values are not affected by Transparent Huge Pages
>+being in effect, or any usage of larger MMU page sizes (either through
>+architectural huge-page mappings or other explicit/implicit coalescing of
>+virtual ranges performed by the MMU).  "AnonHugePages", "ShmemPmdMapped" and
>+"FilePmdMapped" provide insight into the usage of PMD-level architectural
>+huge-page mappings.
> 
> The "proportional set size" (PSS) of a process is the count of pages it has
> in memory, where each page is divided by the number of processes sharing it.
>@@ -528,10 +539,15 @@ pressure if the memory is clean. Please note that the printed value might
> be lower than the real value due to optimizations used in the current
> implementation. If this is not desirable please file a bug report.
> 
>-"AnonHugePages" shows the amount of memory backed by transparent hugepage.

This confused me sometimes. And finally I found it just shows PMD-mapped THP.

The name is misleading. But it seems not easy to rename it, since there are
user space application use this, like selftests.

>+"AnonHugePages", "ShmemPmdMapped" and "FilePmdMapped" show the amount of
>+memory backed by Transparent Huge Pages that are currently mapped by
>+architectural huge-page mappings at the PMD level. "AnonHugePages"
>+corresponds to memory that does not belong to a file, "ShmemPmdMapped" to
>+shared memory (shmem/tmpfs) and "FilePmdMapped" to file-backed memory
>+(excluding shmem/tmpfs).
> 
>-"ShmemPmdMapped" shows the amount of shared (shmem/tmpfs) memory backed by
>-huge pages.
>+There are no dedicated entries for Transparent Huge Pages (or similar concepts)
>+that are not mapped by architectural huge-page mappings at the PMD level.
> 
> "Shared_Hugetlb" and "Private_Hugetlb" show the amounts of memory backed by
> hugetlbfs page which is *not* counted in "RSS" or "PSS" field for historical
>-- 
>2.43.0
>

-- 
Wei Yang
Help you, Help me


      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-03-12  2:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-06  8:19 David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 10:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-09 16:14 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-03-12  2:51 ` Wei Yang [this message]

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