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From: SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>
To: Gutierrez Asier <gutierrez.asier@huawei-partners.com>
Cc: SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	damon@lists.linux.dev, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] mm/damon: support multiple goal-based quota tuning algorithms
Date: Wed,  4 Mar 2026 07:03:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260304150327.172442-1-sj@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c9449c1-95c7-4770-8e06-1ee50e263db8@huawei-partners.com>

On Wed, 4 Mar 2026 13:15:29 +0300 Gutierrez Asier <gutierrez.asier@huawei-partners.com> wrote:

> Hi SeongJae!
> 
> Nice idea for dynamic environments.

Thank you :)

> 
> On 3/4/2026 7:41 AM, SeongJae Park wrote:
> > Aim-oriented DAMOS quota auto-tuning uses a single tuning algorithm.
> > The algorithm is designed to find a quota value that should be
> > consistently kept for achieving the aimed goal for long term.  It is
> > useful and reliable at automatically operating systems that have dynamic
> > environments in the long term.
> > 
> > As always, however, no single algorithm fits all.  When the environment
> > has static characteristics or there are control towers in not only the
> > kernel space but also the user space, the algorithm shows some
> > limitations.  In such environments, users want kernel work in a more
> > short term deterministic way.  Actually there were at least two reports
> > [1,2] of such cases.
> > 
> > Extend DAMOS quotas goal to support multiple quota tuning algorithms
> > that users can select.  Keep the current algorithm as the default one,
> > to not break the old users.  Also give it a name, "consist", as it is
> > designed to "consistently" apply the DAMOS action.  And introduce a new
> > tuning algorithm, namely "temporal".  It is designed to apply the DAMOS
> > action only temporally, in a deterministic way.  In more detail, as long
> > as the goal is under-achieved, it uses the maximum quota available.
> > Once the goal is over-achieved, it sets the quota zero.
> 
> I'm not sure "temporal" is the best name for this type of behaviour.

I agree there could be a better name.

> 
> How about "by_score?". For example, "damos_goal_tune_esz_bp_by_score" and
> DAMOS_QUOTA_GOAL_TUNER_BY_SCORE.

And thank you for the suggestion!

But... I don't think "by_score" is much better, because all tuners are assumed
to, and actually do the tuning of the quota based on the score.  Or, maybe you
mean it makes non-zero quota only until the score becomes the goal?  That makes
sense, but again, in a sense, that's same for "consistent" tuner.

Naming is difficult...

I was also thinking about a few more names, but my conclusion after the self
discussion was that some of ambitious names are inevitable here.  Otherwise,
the name will be too long.  I therefore picked the shortest and simplest ones
on my list, which at least contrasts the current two tuners.  I agree that
could still be difficult to understand.  But as long as there is a good
documentation, I think difficult-to-understnd names that encourage users to
read the document is ok and might even be better in some cases.

I'm of course open to other suggestions.


Thanks,
SJ

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      reply	other threads:[~2026-03-04 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-04  4:41 SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/10] mm/damon/core: introduce damos_quota_goal_tuner SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/10] mm/damon/core: allow quota goals set zero effective size quota SeongJae Park
2026-03-04 10:18   ` Gutierrez Asier
2026-03-04 14:51     ` SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/10] mm/damon/core: introduce DAMOS_QUOTA_GOAL_TUNER_TEMPORAL SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/10] mm/damon/sysfs-schemes: implement quotas->goal_tuner file SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/10] Docs/mm/damon/design: document the goal-based quota tuner selections SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/10] Docs/admin-guide/mm/damon/usage: document goal_tuner sysfs file SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/10] Docs/ABI/damon: update for goal_tuner SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/10] selftests/damon/_damon_sysfs: support goal_tuner setup SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/10] selftests/damon/drgn_dump_damon_status: support quota goal_tuner dumping SeongJae Park
2026-03-04  4:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/10] selftests/damon/sysfs.py: test goal_tuner commit SeongJae Park
2026-03-04 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] mm/damon: support multiple goal-based quota tuning algorithms Gutierrez Asier
2026-03-04 15:03   ` SeongJae Park [this message]

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