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From: Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/22] PCI: Add API to track PCI devices preserved across Live Update
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:32:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260227093233.45891424@shazbot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aZ-TrC8P0tLYhxXO@google.com>

On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 00:28:28 +0000
David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com> wrote:
> > > +static int pci_flb_preserve(struct liveupdate_flb_op_args *args)
> > > +{
> > > +	struct pci_dev *dev = NULL;
> > > +	int max_nr_devices = 0;
> > > +	struct pci_ser *ser;
> > > +	unsigned long size;
> > > +
> > > +	for_each_pci_dev(dev)
> > > +		max_nr_devices++;  
> > 
> > How is this protected against hotplug?  
> 
> Pranjal raised this as well. Here was my reply:
> 
> .  Yes, it's possible to run out space to preserve devices if devices are
> .  hot-plugged and then preserved. But I think it's better to defer
> .  handling such a use-case exists (unless you see an obvious simple
> .  solution). So far I am not seeing preserving hot-plugged devices
> .  across Live Update as a high priority use-case to support.
> 
> I am going to add a comment here in the next revision to clarify that.
> I will also add a comment clarifying why this code doesn't bother to
> account for VFs created after this call (preserving VFs are explicitly
> disallowed to be preserved in this patch since they require additional
> support).

TBH, without SR-IOV support and some examples of in-kernel PF
preservation in support of vfio-pci VFs, it seems like this only
supports a very niche use case.  I expect the majority of vfio-pci
devices are VFs and I don't think we want to present a solution where
the requirement is to move the PF driver to userspace.  It's not clear,
for example, how we can have vfio-pci variant drivers relying on
in-kernel channels to PF drivers to support migration in this model.
Thanks,

Alex


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-27 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-29 21:24 [PATCH v2 00/22] vfio/pci: Base Live Update support for VFIO device files David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 01/22] liveupdate: Export symbols needed by modules David Matlack
2026-02-24  8:26   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-24 17:08   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 02/22] PCI: Add API to track PCI devices preserved across Live Update David Matlack
2026-02-01  6:38   ` Zhu Yanjun
2026-02-02 18:14     ` David Matlack
2026-02-04  0:10       ` Yanjun.Zhu
2026-02-20 19:03         ` David Matlack
2026-02-23 22:04   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-23 23:08     ` David Matlack
2026-02-23 23:43       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-24  0:00         ` David Matlack
2026-02-24  9:17   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-24 17:33     ` David Matlack
2026-02-24 19:02       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-24 19:05         ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-25 22:46   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-02-26  0:28     ` David Matlack
2026-02-27 16:32       ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2026-02-27 17:19         ` David Matlack
2026-02-27 18:25           ` Alex Williamson
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 03/22] PCI: Inherit bus numbers from previous kernel during " David Matlack
2026-02-24  9:36   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-24 17:36     ` David Matlack
2026-02-25 22:47   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-02-25 23:20     ` David Matlack
2026-02-26 14:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-27 16:04         ` Alex Williamson
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 04/22] vfio/pci: Register a file handler with Live Update Orchestrator David Matlack
2026-02-06 22:37   ` Yanjun.Zhu
2026-02-06 23:14     ` David Matlack
2026-02-24  9:58       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-25 21:33   ` Alex Williamson
2026-02-25 22:06     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-25 22:29       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-25 22:50         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-25 23:15     ` David Matlack
2026-02-25 23:54       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 05/22] vfio/pci: Preserve vfio-pci device files across Live Update David Matlack
2026-02-23 22:29   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-24 18:37   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-24 19:16     ` David Matlack
2026-02-25 22:41   ` Alex Williamson
2026-02-25 23:41     ` David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 06/22] vfio/pci: Retrieve preserved device files after " David Matlack
2026-02-23 23:27   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-24 19:19   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-26 22:52   ` Alex Williamson
2026-02-26 23:40     ` David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 07/22] vfio/pci: Notify PCI subsystem about devices preserved across " David Matlack
2026-02-25  7:55   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-26  0:45     ` David Matlack
2026-02-26 23:03   ` Alex Williamson
2026-02-26 23:31     ` David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 08/22] vfio: Enforce preserved devices are retrieved via LIVEUPDATE_SESSION_RETRIEVE_FD David Matlack
2026-02-25  8:03   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-26 23:15   ` Alex Williamson
2026-02-26 23:27     ` David Matlack
2026-02-26 23:42       ` Alex Williamson
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 09/22] vfio/pci: Store incoming Live Update state in struct vfio_pci_core_device David Matlack
2026-02-25  8:38   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-26  0:51     ` David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 10/22] vfio/pci: Skip reset of preserved device after Live Update David Matlack
2026-01-29 22:21   ` Jacob Pan
2026-01-29 22:33     ` David Matlack
2026-01-30  0:31       ` Jacob Pan
2026-02-27  0:00   ` Alex Williamson
2026-02-27  0:51     ` David Matlack
2026-02-27 15:46       ` Alex Williamson
2026-02-27 17:07         ` David Matlack
2026-02-27 17:57           ` Alex Williamson
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 11/22] docs: liveupdate: Document VFIO device file preservation David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:24 ` [PATCH v2 12/22] selftests/liveupdate: Move luo_test_utils.* into a reusable library David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 13/22] selftests/liveupdate: Add helpers to preserve/retrieve FDs David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 14/22] vfio: selftests: Build liveupdate library in VFIO selftests David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 15/22] vfio: selftests: Add Makefile support for TEST_GEN_PROGS_EXTENDED David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 16/22] vfio: selftests: Add vfio_pci_liveupdate_uapi_test David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 17/22] vfio: selftests: Initialize vfio_pci_device using a VFIO cdev FD David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 18/22] vfio: selftests: Add vfio_pci_liveupdate_kexec_test David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 19/22] vfio: selftests: Expose iommu_modes to tests David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 20/22] vfio: selftests: Expose low-level helper routines for setting up struct vfio_pci_device David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 21/22] vfio: selftests: Verify that opening VFIO device fails during Live Update David Matlack
2026-01-29 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 22/22] vfio: selftests: Add continuous DMA to vfio_pci_liveupdate_kexec_test David Matlack

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