From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 09:37:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260218083754.GB2995752@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cbbea9ecb994df975109d97a7756d73e@garyguo.net>
On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 11:39:18PM +0000, Gary Guo wrote:
> >> Are we really good? Consider this code:
> >>
> >> bool is_valid(struct foo *val)
> >> {
> >> // for the sake of example
> >> return val->my_field != 0;
> >> }
> >>
> >> struct foo val;
> >>
> >> void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
> >> memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
> >> kunmap_local(p);
> >> barrier();
> >> if (is_valid(&val)) {
> >> // use val
> >> }
> >>
> >> optimize it into this first:
> >>
> >> struct foo val;
> >> int my_field_copy;
> >>
> >> void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
> >> memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
> >> my_field_copy = val->my_field;
> >> kunmap_local(p);
> >> barrier();
> >> if (my_field_copy != 0) {
> >> // use val
> >> }
> >>
> >> then optimize it into:
> >>
> >> struct foo val;
> >> int my_field_copy;
> >>
> >> void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
> >> memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
> >> my_field_copy = ((struct foo *) ptr)->my_field;
> >> kunmap_local(p);
> >> barrier();
> >> if (my_field_copy != 0) {
> >> // use val
> >> }
> >
> > I don;t think this is allowed. You're lifting the load over the
> > barrier(), that is invalid.
>
> This is allowed. Compilers perform escape analysis and find out that
> "val" does not escape the function and therefore nothing can change "val".
>
> A simple example to demonstrate this effect is that
>
> int x = 0;
> x = 1;
> barrier();
> do_something(x);
>
> is happily optimized into
>
> barrier();
> do_something(1);
>
> by both GCC and Clang. The fact that the local variable here is a struct and
> memcpy is used to assign the value here does not make a fundamental difference.
>
> barrier() does nothing to local variables if pointers to them do not escape the
> local function.
So how do we stop the compiler from doing this? Because I'm thinking
there's quite a bit of code that would be broken if this were done.
Must we really go write things like:
struct foo val, *ptr;
ptr = kmap_local_page(page);
memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(val));
kunmap_local(ptr);
ptr = RELOC_HIDE(&val, 0);
if (ptr->field) {
...
}
That seems 'unfortunate'. It basically means we must never use local
stack for copies or somesuch.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-18 8:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-12 14:51 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 16:41 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-12 17:10 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 17:23 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:18 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 12:58 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 13:20 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 14:13 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 15:34 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 15:45 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 15:58 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 16:19 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 9:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:33 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:01 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:47 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 11:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 11:51 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 12:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 15:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 16:10 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 13:09 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 15:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 23:39 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18 8:37 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-02-18 9:31 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:56 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 18:43 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 20:32 ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-17 15:52 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:37 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-14 0:07 ` Gary Guo
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