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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 13:09:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260217120920.GZ1395266@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aZRWOIPThLfIZ1Ph@google.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 11:51:20AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:

> In my experience with dealing with `struct page` that is mapped into a
> vma, you need memcpy because the struct might be split across two
> different pages in the vma. The pages are adjacent in userspace's
> address space, but not necessarily adjacent from the kernel's POV.
> 
> So you might end up with something that looks like this:
> 
> struct foo val;
> void *ptr1 = kmap_local_page(p1);
> void *ptr2 = kmap_local_page(p2);
> memcpy(ptr1 + offset, val, PAGE_SIZE - offset);
> memcpy(ptr2, val + offset, sizeof(struct foo) - (PAGE_SIZE - offset));
> kunmap_local(ptr2);
> kunmap_local(ptr1);

  barrier();

> if (is_valid(&val)) {
>     // use val
> }
> 
> This exact thing happens in Binder. It has to be a memcpy.

Sure, but then stick that one barrier() in and you're good.


> I don't know how Andreas is using this, but the usage pattern I'm
> familiar with for `struct page` from my work on Binder is this one:
> 
> 1. memcpy into the page
> 2. return from ioctl
> 3. userspace reads from vma
> 
> or
> 
> 1. userspace writes to vma
> 2. call ioctl
> 3. kernel reads from page
> 
> which needs no barriers whatsoever. There is nothing to prevent this
> kind of optimization in this kind of code, so an evil userspace could
> trigger TOCTOU bugs in the kernel that are not present in the source
> code if the code was optimized like I described.

Then stick in barrier().



  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-12 14:51 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 16:41 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-12 17:10   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 17:23     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13  9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:18   ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 12:58     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 13:20       ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 14:13         ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 14:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 15:34             ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 15:45               ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 15:58                 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 16:19                   ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17  9:13                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:33                       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17  9:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:01                           ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:25                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:47                               ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 11:09                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 11:51                                   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 12:09                                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-02-17 13:00                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:54                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 15:50                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 16:10                                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 13:09                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 15:48                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 23:39                                           ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18  8:37                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18  9:31                                               ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:09                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:56                                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 16:04                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 18:43                                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 20:32                                           ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-17 15:52                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17  9:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:37                     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:01                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:33                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-14  0:07               ` Gary Guo

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