From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 13:09:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260217120920.GZ1395266@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aZRWOIPThLfIZ1Ph@google.com>
On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 11:51:20AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> In my experience with dealing with `struct page` that is mapped into a
> vma, you need memcpy because the struct might be split across two
> different pages in the vma. The pages are adjacent in userspace's
> address space, but not necessarily adjacent from the kernel's POV.
>
> So you might end up with something that looks like this:
>
> struct foo val;
> void *ptr1 = kmap_local_page(p1);
> void *ptr2 = kmap_local_page(p2);
> memcpy(ptr1 + offset, val, PAGE_SIZE - offset);
> memcpy(ptr2, val + offset, sizeof(struct foo) - (PAGE_SIZE - offset));
> kunmap_local(ptr2);
> kunmap_local(ptr1);
barrier();
> if (is_valid(&val)) {
> // use val
> }
>
> This exact thing happens in Binder. It has to be a memcpy.
Sure, but then stick that one barrier() in and you're good.
> I don't know how Andreas is using this, but the usage pattern I'm
> familiar with for `struct page` from my work on Binder is this one:
>
> 1. memcpy into the page
> 2. return from ioctl
> 3. userspace reads from vma
>
> or
>
> 1. userspace writes to vma
> 2. call ioctl
> 3. kernel reads from page
>
> which needs no barriers whatsoever. There is nothing to prevent this
> kind of optimization in this kind of code, so an evil userspace could
> trigger TOCTOU bugs in the kernel that are not present in the source
> code if the code was optimized like I described.
Then stick in barrier().
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-17 12:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-12 14:51 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 16:41 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-12 17:10 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 17:23 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:18 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 12:58 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 13:20 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 14:13 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 15:34 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 15:45 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 15:58 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 16:19 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 9:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:33 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:01 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:47 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 11:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 11:51 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 12:09 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-02-17 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 15:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 16:10 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 13:09 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 15:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 23:39 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18 8:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 9:31 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:56 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 18:43 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 20:32 ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-17 15:52 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:37 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-14 0:07 ` Gary Guo
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