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From: Yunjeong Mun <yunjeong.mun@sk.com>
To: sj@kernel.org
Cc: honggyu.kim@sk.com, kernel_team@skhynix.com,
	Ravi Jonnalagadda <ravis.opensrc@gmail.com>,
	damon@lists.linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, corbet@lwn.net, bijan311@gmail.com,
	ajayjoshi@micron.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] mm/damon: Add node_sys_bp quota goal metric for
Date: Wed,  4 Feb 2026 11:25:35 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260204022537.814-1-yunjeong.mun@sk.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260124015045.78075-1-sj@kernel.org>

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 05:50:43PM -0800, SeongJae Park wrote:
> Cc-ing SK hynix folks (Honggyu and Yunjeong) for quota auto-tuning behavior
> confusion (not stop immediately after satisfying the goal) I discuss below.
> 

Hi Seonjae, thanks for Cc-ing us :)

> 
> Please note that the goal-based quota auto-tuning works in proportional way,
> preferring small steps and "eventual" goal convergence.  As a result, migration
> will occur a few more times until it is completely stopped after the goal is
> satisfied.  Unless there is another scheme that migrates pages into node 0, you
> may end up having node 0 having a bit less than the 40% memory.
> 
> > 
> >     No oscillation - migration stops when target state is reached.
> 
> So, little bit of oscillation could still happen.  Hopefully that shouldn't be
> significant, though.
> 
> IIRC, SK hynix people also confused with the behavior when they experimented
> migrate_{hot,cold} action with NODE_MEM_USED_BP goal based quota auto-tuning,
> but using only a single scheme that does migration in a single direction.
> Because this is at least second time it made confusion, if you need, maybe I
> can try to add a feature for making DAMOS immediately stops after the goal is
> satisfied.  Let me know if such new feature can be useful for you.  Cc-ing SK
> hynix people (Honggyu and Yunjeong) so that they can correct me if my memory is
> broken, or answer if the new feature I described here can be useful for them.
> 

Yes, you're absolutely right. Currently, esz(effective size) starts from 0 and 
esz gradually increases as `current` approaches `target`.
Once `current` reaches `target`,  `esz` then begins to decrease.

However, we observed that even after `current` hits `target`, 
migration still continues relatively aggressively - because `esz`  remains high, 
and it takes time for it to decrease.

To address this, we previously suggested that initializing `esz`  at `target`
(or something suitably large value, rather than 0) and letting it gradually 
decrease as `current` gets closer to  `target`.  
This would allow for stronger migration when `current` is far form `target`, 
and gradually weaken migration as `current` approaches `target`.

Such a feature would be useful for us to experiment with tiered memory system :)

Best Regards,
Yunjeong



  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-04  2:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-23  4:57 [RFC PATCH 0/5] mm/damon: Add node_sys_bp quota goal metric for PA-based migration control Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-01-23  4:57 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] mm/damon/core: add DAMOS_QUOTA_NODE_SYS_BP metric Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-01-23  4:57 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] mm/damon: add get_goal_metric() op and PA provider Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-01-23  4:57 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] mm/damon/core: add new ops-specific goal metric Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-01-23  4:57 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] mm/damon/paddr: capacity clamp and directional early-exit for node_sys_bp Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-01-23  4:57 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] mm/damon/sysfs-schemes: accept "node_sys_bp" in goal's target_metric Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-01-24  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] mm/damon: Add node_sys_bp quota goal metric for PA-based migration control SeongJae Park
2026-01-27 18:52   ` Ravi Jonnalagadda
2026-01-28  1:25     ` SeongJae Park
2026-02-12  6:27       ` SeongJae Park
2026-02-04  2:25   ` Yunjeong Mun [this message]
2026-02-04  6:06     ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] mm/damon: Add node_sys_bp quota goal metric for SeongJae Park
2026-02-12  6:30       ` SeongJae Park

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