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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <586121cf-eb31-468c-9300-e670671653e1@amd.com> X-Rspamd-Server: rspam10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6ED0D14000F X-Stat-Signature: 8xiiwtjnky6j3tyxke1ijxgsfibysszs X-Rspam-User: X-HE-Tag: 1770142404-236249 X-HE-Meta: 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 kdHWgvqB CKPs8Tm5SoMcnwHibpNNBo+jWAujR+52GsAgR3SuYsSd2VotXIXaxAr4BZQuJOJ252W3F/4ed0QgpS7fbMYyLlZ0p2vTVxkplLT1tOTr6nH+XpQ64wTYfyOZe6ppTDpliORuytPakui4tC5IaJxFxuNVCy1MdMk0P95V9bX5e02/Ox/4b61evQPRRj1B5VDn6zXm/HqgsRWxO4UCza/ikreXQ+HKyuAl3TfxIDeA0eoXUw5tNgDYwOWhgLD3+6RY6EP6otebBOzJ20M2DiHrM0hRjOcpy4g1gTlkqN2Y9peRNT1toVScWc4ga2Lou6zYK7/eYuhqvzti//481UQdiA8mkG68PPj/4ik/sOmAvbKOSvCpj6HxXej2CTDpsB0ApAWKKheJCDwwG0DP/sLmG4AC9Nw== X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 12:07:46PM +1100, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote: > On 29/1/26 12:16, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 05:03:27PM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote: > > > > > For a dmabuf fd, the story is the same as guest_memfd. Unless private vs. shared > > > is all or nothing, and can never change, then the only entity that can track that > > > info is the owner of the dmabuf. And even if the private vs. shared attributes > > > are constant, tracking it external to KVM makes sense, because then the provider > > > can simply hardcode %true/%false. > > > > Oh my I had not given that bit any thought. My remarks were just about > > normal non-CC systems. > > > > So MMIO starts out shared, and then converts to private when the guest > > triggers it. It is not all or nothing, there are permanent shared > > holes in the MMIO ranges too. > > > > Beyond that I don't know what people are thinking. > > > > Clearly VFIO has to revoke and disable the DMABUF once any of it > > becomes private. > > huh? Private MMIO still has to be mapped in the NPT (well, on > AMD). It is the userspace mapping which we do not want^wneed and we > do not by using dmabuf. Well, we don't know what the DMABUF got imported into, so the non-KVM importers using the shared mapping certainly have to drop it. How exactly to make that happen is going to be interesting.. Jason