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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Samuel Wu <wusamuel@google.com>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, raven@themaw.net,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, neil@brown.name, a.hindborg@kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	ocfs2-devel@lists.linux.dev, kees@kernel.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	paul@paul-moore.com, casey@schaufler-ca.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, john.johansen@canonical.com,
	selinux@vger.kernel.org, borntraeger@linux.ibm.com,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, clm@meta.com,
	android-kernel-team <android-kernel-team@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/54] tree-in-dcache stuff
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 00:59:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260131005954.GX3183987@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260130235743.GW3183987@ZenIV>

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 11:57:43PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:

> Another thing to try (not as a suggestion of a fix, just an attempt to figure
> out how badly would the things break): in current mainline replace that
> 	ffs_mutex_lock(&ffs->mutex, file->f_flags & O_NONBLOCK)
> in ffs_ep0_open() with
> 	ffs_mutex_lock(&ffs->mutex, false)
> and see how badly do the things regress for userland.  Again, I'm not saying
> that this is a fix - just trying to get some sense of what's the userland
> is doing.

At a guess, quite badly.  ffs->mutex *is* way too heavy for that purpose -
that's a geniune bug.

State transitions in that thing are messy; AFAICS, the state is a combination
of ->opened and ->state, and transitions assume atomicity that just isn't there.

All updates of ->opened are process-synchronous; the nasty part is in the
FFS_DEACTIVATED handling.  We don't want it to coexist with ->opened > 0;
normally decrement of ->opened to 0 gets us into FFS_CLOSING immediately
and follows that with ffs_data_reset().  In -o no_disconnect mounts we switch
to FFS_DEACTIVATED instead.  On the next open() after that we want it to
transition to the same FFS_CLOSING + the same call of ffs_data_reset().

open() running into FFS_CLOSING fails; that happens until ffs_data_reset()
switches ->state to FFS_READ_DESCRIPTORS.

Things are complicated by ffs_func_set_alt() and ffs_func_disable() - these
can come with ->opened being zero and both contain this:
        if (ffs->state == FFS_DEACTIVATED) {
		ffs->state = FFS_CLOSING;
		INIT_WORK(&ffs->reset_work, ffs_reset_work);
		schedule_work(&ffs->reset_work);
		return -ENODEV;
	}
with s/return -ENODEV;/return;/ for ffs_func_disable().  The point, AFAICT,
is to avoid deadlocks from having ffs_data_reset() called in the locking
environment these two are called in.  At least ->set_alt() can be called
under a spinlock and ffs_data_reset() is blocking.

Another potentially troubling part is the check for FFS_ACTIVE in the
same functions, seeing that
                        ffs->state = FFS_ACTIVE;
                        mutex_unlock(&ffs->mutex);
 
                        ret = ffs_ready(ffs);
                        if (ret < 0) {
                                ffs->state = FFS_CLOSING;
                                return ret;
                        }
in ep0 write() happens with no exclusion with those (as the matter of
fact, that transition to FFS_CLOSING holds no locks at all)...


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-31  0:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-18  5:15 Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 01/54] fuse_ctl_add_conn(): fix nlink breakage in case of early failure Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 02/54] tracefs: fix a leak in eventfs_create_events_dir() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 03/54] new helper: simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 04/54] new helper: simple_done_creating() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 05/54] introduce a flag for explicitly marking persistently pinned dentries Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 06/54] primitives for maintaining persisitency Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 07/54] convert simple_{link,unlink,rmdir,rename,fill_super}() to new primitives Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 08/54] convert ramfs and tmpfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 09/54] procfs: make /self and /thread_self dentries persistent Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 10/54] configfs, securityfs: kill_litter_super() not needed Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 11/54] convert xenfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 12/54] convert smackfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 13/54] convert hugetlbfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 14/54] convert mqueue Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 15/54] convert bpf Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 16/54] convert dlmfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 17/54] convert fuse_ctl Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 18/54] convert pstore Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 19/54] convert tracefs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 20/54] convert debugfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 21/54] debugfs: remove duplicate checks in callers of start_creating() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 22/54] convert efivarfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 23/54] convert spufs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 24/54] convert ibmasmfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 25/54] ibmasmfs: get rid of ibmasmfs_dir_ops Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 26/54] convert devpts Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 27/54] binderfs: use simple_start_creating() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 28/54] binderfs_binder_ctl_create(): kill a bogus check Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 29/54] convert binderfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 30/54] autofs_{rmdir,unlink}: dentry->d_fsdata->dentry == dentry there Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 31/54] convert autofs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 32/54] convert binfmt_misc Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 33/54] selinuxfs: don't stash the dentry of /policy_capabilities Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 34/54] selinuxfs: new helper for attaching files to tree Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 35/54] convert selinuxfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 36/54] functionfs: don't abuse ffs_data_closed() on fs shutdown Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 37/54] functionfs: don't bother with ffs->ref in ffs_data_{opened,closed}() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 38/54] functionfs: need to cancel ->reset_work in ->kill_sb() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 39/54] functionfs: fix the open/removal races Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 40/54] functionfs: switch to simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 41/54] convert functionfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 42/54] gadgetfs: switch to simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 43/54] convert gadgetfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 44/54] hypfs: don't pin dentries twice Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 45/54] hypfs: switch hypfs_create_str() to returning int Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 46/54] hypfs: swich hypfs_create_u64() " Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 47/54] convert hypfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 48/54] convert rpc_pipefs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 49/54] convert nfsctl Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:15 ` [PATCH v4 50/54] convert rust_binderfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:16 ` [PATCH v4 51/54] get rid of kill_litter_super() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:16 ` [PATCH v4 52/54] convert securityfs Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:16 ` [PATCH v4 53/54] kill securityfs_recursive_remove() Al Viro
2025-11-18  5:16 ` [PATCH v4 54/54] d_make_discardable(): warn if given a non-persistent dentry Al Viro
2026-01-27  0:56 ` [PATCH v4 00/54] tree-in-dcache stuff Samuel Wu
2026-01-27  7:42   ` Greg KH
2026-01-27 18:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-27 20:14       ` Al Viro
2026-01-28  8:53         ` Greg KH
2026-01-28  2:02     ` Samuel Wu
2026-01-28  4:59       ` Al Viro
2026-01-29  0:58         ` Samuel Wu
2026-01-29  3:23           ` Al Viro
2026-01-29 22:54             ` Al Viro
2026-01-30  1:16               ` Samuel Wu
2026-01-30  7:04                 ` Al Viro
2026-01-30 22:31                   ` Samuel Wu
2026-01-30 23:57                     ` Al Viro
2026-01-31  0:14                       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-31  1:08                         ` Al Viro
2026-01-31  1:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2026-02-01  0:11                             ` Al Viro
2026-01-31  0:59                       ` Al Viro [this message]
2026-01-31  1:05                       ` Samuel Wu
2026-01-31  1:18                         ` Al Viro
2026-01-31  2:09                           ` Samuel Wu
2026-01-31  2:43                             ` Al Viro
2026-01-31 19:48                               ` Samuel Wu
2026-01-31 14:58                 ` Krishna Kurapati PSSNV
2026-01-31 20:02                   ` Samuel Wu

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