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From: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v3 10/10] mm/vma: add and use vma_assert_stabilised()
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2026 07:35:48 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260123233550.2378-1-hdanton@sina.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43c90424ba0874a71bb7ab9d6423b3a2bf616f8e.1769086312.git.lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>

On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 13:02:02 +0000 Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> +/**
> + * vma_assert_stabilised() - assert that this VMA cannot be changed from
> + * underneath us either by having a VMA or mmap lock held.
> + * @vma: The VMA whose stability we wish to assess.
> + *
> + * If lockdep is enabled we can precisely ensure stability via either an mmap
> + * lock owned by us or a specific VMA lock.
> + *
> + * With lockdep disabled we may sometimes race with other threads acquiring the
> + * mmap read lock simultaneous with our VMA read lock.
> + */
> +static inline void vma_assert_stabilised(struct vm_area_struct *vma)
> +{
> +	/*
> +	 * If another thread owns an mmap lock, it may go away at any time, and
> +	 * thus is no guarantee of stability.
> +	 *
> +	 * If lockdep is enabled we can accurately determine if an mmap lock is
> +	 * held and owned by us. Otherwise we must approximate.
> +	 *
> +	 * It doesn't necessarily mean we are not stabilised however, as we may
> +	 * hold a VMA read lock (not a write lock as this would require an owned
> +	 * mmap lock).
> +	 *
> +	 * If (assuming lockdep is not enabled) we were to assert a VMA read
> +	 * lock first we may also run into issues, as other threads can hold VMA
> +	 * read locks simlutaneous to us.
> +	 *
> +	 * Therefore if lockdep is not enabled we risk a false negative (i.e. no
> +	 * assert fired). If accurate checking is required, enable lockdep.
> +	 */
> +	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_LOCKDEP)) {
> +		if (lockdep_is_held(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_lock))
> +			return;
> +	} else {
> +		if (rwsem_is_locked(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_lock))
> +			return;
> +	}
In case of the mmap_lock, rwsem_is_locked has nothing to do with lockdep_is_held,
as the latter is noop without lockdep enabled. And the former fails to match the
us in "assert that this VMA cannot be changed from underneath us either by having
a VMA or mmap lock held".

That said, you are adding confusion.
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * We're not stabilised by the mmap lock, so assert that we're
> +	 * stabilised by a VMA lock.
> +	 */
> +	vma_assert_locked(vma);
> +}
> +


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-24  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-22 13:01 [PATCH RESEND v3 00/10] mm: add and use vma_assert_stabilised() helper Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 01/10] mm/vma: rename VMA_LOCK_OFFSET to VM_REFCNT_EXCLUDE_READERS_FLAG Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22 16:29     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 13:52       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:37   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 13:26     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 02/10] mm/vma: document possible vma->vm_refcnt values and reference comment Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:48   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22 17:28     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 15:06       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 13:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 03/10] mm/vma: rename is_vma_write_only(), separate out shared refcount put Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 17:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22 19:31     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23  8:24       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 14:52         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 15:05           ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:07             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 14:41       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-26 10:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 14:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 04/10] mm/vma: add+use vma lockdep acquire/release defines Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 19:32   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-22 19:41     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23  8:41       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:08         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 15:00     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23  8:48   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:10     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 05/10] mm/vma: de-duplicate __vma_enter_locked() error path Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 19:39   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 15:11     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23  8:54   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:10     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] mm/vma: clean up __vma_enter/exit_locked() Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:08   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 20:15   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-22 20:55     ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-23 16:15       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 16:33     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23  9:16   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 16:17     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 16:28       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 07/10] mm/vma: introduce helper struct + thread through exclusive lock fns Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 21:41   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 17:59     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 19:34       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 20:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 22:07           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-24  8:54             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-26  6:09               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 10:02   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:18     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 08/10] mm/vma: improve and document __is_vma_write_locked() Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 21:55   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 16:21     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 17:42       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 18:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 09/10] mm/vma: update vma_assert_locked() to use lockdep Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 22:02   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 18:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 16:55   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:49     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 10/10] mm/vma: add and use vma_assert_stabilised() Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 22:12   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 18:54     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 17:10   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:51     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 23:35   ` Hillf Danton [this message]
2026-01-22 15:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 00/10] mm: add and use vma_assert_stabilised() helper Andrew Morton
2026-01-22 15:57   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:01     ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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