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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>
Cc: Deepanshu Kartikey <kartikey406@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, axelrasmussen@google.com,
	weixugc@google.com, david@kernel.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
	zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, yuzhao@google.com,
	heftig@archlinux.org, oleksandr@natalenko.name,
	bgeffon@google.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	syzbot+90fcab4d88cffed6d0d8@syzkaller.appspotmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: vmscan: always allow writeback during memcg reclaim
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2025 15:22:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251215202212.GD905277@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJj2-QHV09Rh+s2AgDtC815YUJUnYgTs0EE9YbDvXdPM9DsKug@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 01:42:27PM -0600, Yuanchu Xie wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2025 at 10:52 PM Deepanshu Kartikey
> <kartikey406@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 9:42 AM Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > Fixes: bd74fdaea146 ("mm: multi-gen LRU: support page table walks")
> > >
> > > That seems unrelated?
> >
> > Sorry for the wrong fixes. Correct  Fixes: ee814fe23daf ("mm: vmscan:
> > clean up struct scan_control")
> >
> > I'll wait for input from someone with MGLRU context on the broader discussion.
> >
> This warning came from commit e9d4e1ee7880 ("mm: multi-gen LRU:
> clarify scan_control flags") [1].
> 
> The original rationale:
> > 4. sc->may_writepage and sc->may_unmap, which indicates opportunistic
> >   reclaim, are rejected, since unmapped clean folios are already
> >   prioritized. Scanning for more of them is likely futile and can
> >   cause high reclaim latency when there is a large number of memcgs.
> 
> As far as I can tell this was a sanity check to ensure
> `lru_gen_shrink_lruvec` avoids extra work for minimal gain. Perhaps
> this shouldn't be a warning? Always setting may_writepage in this case
> would free more folios. I'm not against removing the warning either.

The premise doesn't seem correct. Aside from laptop_mode, they're used
in those scenarios:

- zone_reclaim_mode: local node is full and user would prefer clean
  and/or unmapped pages over spilling to remote nodes

- watermark_boost: the page allocator finds itself in a situation
  where it needs to fragment pageblocks, and it calls for additional
  reclaim to get out of that situation

Neither of them are opportunistic. It's user-requested behavior.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-15 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-13  8:36 Deepanshu Kartikey
2025-12-14 23:49 ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-15  4:12 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-15  4:51   ` Deepanshu Kartikey
2025-12-15 19:42     ` Yuanchu Xie
2025-12-15 20:22       ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2025-12-19  5:13       ` Kairui Song
2025-12-15  6:59   ` retiring laptop_mode? was " Christoph Hellwig
2025-12-15 16:33     ` Jens Axboe
2025-12-15 20:08     ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-16  2:23       ` Jens Axboe
2025-12-16  7:41       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-12-16 18:52         ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-16 18:54           ` Jens Axboe
2025-12-16 23:23           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17 19:59             ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  7:21               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17 19:34           ` Michal Hocko
2025-12-18  6:00           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-12-15 17:49   ` Michal Hocko

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