From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org,
david@kernel.org, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
hpa@zytor.com, mingo@redhat.com, mjguzik@gmail.com,
luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
willy@infradead.org, raghavendra.kt@amd.com, chleroy@kernel.org,
ioworker0@gmail.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 7/8] mm, folio_zero_user: support clearing page ranges
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:44:13 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251215184413.19589400a74c2aadb42a2eca@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251215204922.475324-8-ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 12:49:21 -0800 Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com> wrote:
> Clear contiguous page ranges in folio_zero_user() instead of clearing
> a single page at a time. Exposing larger ranges enables extent based
> processor optimizations.
>
> However, because the underlying clearing primitives do not, or might
> not be able to check to call cond_resched() to check if preemption
> is required, limit the worst case preemption latency by doing the
> clearing in no more than PROCESS_PAGES_NON_PREEMPT_BATCH units.
>
> For architectures that define clear_pages(), we assume that the
> clearing is fast and define PROCESS_PAGES_NON_PREEMPT_BATCH as 8MB
> worth of pages. This should be large enough to allow the processor
> to optimize the operation and yet small enough that we see reasonable
> preemption latency for when this optimization is not possible
> (ex. slow microarchitectures, memory bandwidth saturation.)
>
> Architectures that don't define clear_pages() will continue to use
> the base value (single page). And, preemptible models don't need
> invocations of cond_resched() so don't care about the batch size.
>
> The resultant performance depends on the kinds of optimizations
> available to the CPU for the region size being cleared. Two classes
> of optimizations:
>
> - clearing iteration costs are amortized over a range larger
> than a single page.
> - cacheline allocation elision (seen on AMD Zen models).
8MB is a big chunk of memory.
> Testing a demand fault workload shows an improved baseline from the
> first optimization and a larger improvement when the region being
> cleared is large enough for the second optimization.
>
> AMD Milan (EPYC 7J13, boost=0, region=64GB on the local NUMA node):
So we break out of the copy to run cond_resched() 8192 times? This sounds
like a minor cost.
> $ perf bench mem mmap -p $pg-sz -f demand -s 64GB -l 5
>
> page-at-a-time contiguous clearing change
>
> (GB/s +- %stdev) (GB/s +- %stdev)
>
> pg-sz=2MB 12.92 +- 2.55% 17.03 +- 0.70% + 31.8% preempt=*
>
> pg-sz=1GB 17.14 +- 2.27% 18.04 +- 1.05% + 5.2% preempt=none|voluntary
> pg-sz=1GB 17.26 +- 1.24% 42.17 +- 4.21% [#] +144.3% preempt=full|lazy
And yet those 8192 cond_resched()'s have a huge impact on the
performance! I find this result very surprising. Is it explainable?
> [#] Notice that we perform much better with preempt=full|lazy. As
> mentioned above, preemptible models not needing explicit invocations
> of cond_resched() allow clearing of the full extent (1GB) as a
> single unit.
> In comparison the maximum extent used for preempt=none|voluntary is
> PROCESS_PAGES_NON_PREEMPT_BATCH (8MB).
>
> The larger extent allows the processor to elide cacheline
> allocation (on Milan the threshold is LLC-size=32MB.)
It is this?
> Also as mentioned earlier, the baseline improvement is not specific to
> AMD Zen platforms. Intel Icelakex (pg-sz=2MB|1GB) sees a similar
> improvement as the Milan pg-sz=2MB workload above (~30%).
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-16 2:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-15 20:49 [PATCH v10 0/8] mm: folio_zero_user: clear contiguous pages Ankur Arora
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 1/8] treewide: provide a generic clear_user_page() variant Ankur Arora
2025-12-18 7:11 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 19:31 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 2/8] highmem: introduce clear_user_highpages() Ankur Arora
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 3/8] mm: introduce clear_pages() and clear_user_pages() Ankur Arora
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 4/8] highmem: do range clearing in clear_user_highpages() Ankur Arora
2025-12-18 7:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 20:01 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 5/8] x86/mm: Simplify clear_page_* Ankur Arora
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 6/8] x86/clear_page: Introduce clear_pages() Ankur Arora
2025-12-18 7:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 7/8] mm, folio_zero_user: support clearing page ranges Ankur Arora
2025-12-16 2:44 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2025-12-16 6:49 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-16 15:12 ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-17 8:48 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-17 18:54 ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-17 19:51 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-17 20:26 ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-18 0:51 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-18 7:36 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 20:16 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-15 20:49 ` [PATCH v10 8/8] mm: folio_zero_user: cache neighbouring pages Ankur Arora
2025-12-18 7:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 21:01 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-18 21:23 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-23 10:11 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-16 2:48 ` [PATCH v10 0/8] mm: folio_zero_user: clear contiguous pages Andrew Morton
2025-12-16 5:04 ` Ankur Arora
2025-12-18 7:38 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
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