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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	pratmal@google.com, sweettea@google.com, gthelen@google.com,
	weixugc@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm: ghost swapfile support for zswap
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2025 06:40:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251121114011.GA71307@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251121-ghost-v1-1-cfc0efcf3855@kernel.org>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 01:31:43AM -0800, Chris Li wrote:
> The current zswap requires a backing swapfile. The swap slot used
> by zswap is not able to be used by the swapfile. That waste swapfile
> space.
>
> The ghost swapfile is a swapfile that only contains the swapfile header
> for zswap. The swapfile header indicate the size of the swapfile. There
> is no swap data section in the ghost swapfile, therefore, no waste of
> swapfile space.  As such, any write to a ghost swapfile will fail. To
> prevents accidental read or write of ghost swapfile, bdev of
> swap_info_struct is set to NULL. Ghost swapfile will also set the SSD
> flag because there is no rotation disk access when using zswap.

Zswap is primarily a compressed cache for real swap on secondary
storage. It's indeed quite important that entries currently in zswap
don't occupy disk slots; but for a solution to this to be acceptable,
it has to work with the primary usecase and support disk writeback.

This direction is a dead-end. Please take a look at Nhat's swap
virtualization patches. They decouple zswap from disk geometry, while
still supporting writeback to an actual backend file.

Nacked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-21 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-21  9:31 Chris Li
2025-11-21 10:19 ` Nhat Pham
2025-11-22  1:52   ` Chris Li
2025-11-24 14:47     ` Nhat Pham
2025-11-25 18:26       ` Chris Li
2025-11-21 11:40 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2025-11-22  1:52   ` Chris Li
2025-11-22 10:29     ` Kairui Song
2025-11-24 15:35     ` Nhat Pham
2025-11-24 16:14     ` Rik van Riel
2025-11-24 17:26       ` Chris Li
2025-11-24 17:42         ` Rik van Riel
2025-11-24 17:58           ` Chris Li
2025-11-24 17:27     ` Johannes Weiner
2025-11-24 18:24       ` Chris Li
2025-11-24 19:32         ` Johannes Weiner
2025-11-25 19:27           ` Chris Li
2025-11-25 21:31             ` Johannes Weiner
2025-11-26 19:22               ` Chris Li
2025-11-26 21:52                 ` Rik van Riel
2025-11-27  1:52                   ` Chris Li
2025-11-27  2:26                     ` Rik van Riel
2025-11-27 19:09                       ` Chris Li
2025-11-28 20:46                         ` Nhat Pham
2025-11-29 20:38                           ` Chris Li
2025-12-01 16:43                             ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-01 19:49                               ` Kairui Song
2025-12-02 17:02                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-02 20:48                                   ` Chris Li
2025-12-01 20:21                               ` Barry Song
2025-12-02 19:58                               ` Chris Li
2025-12-01 23:37                             ` Nhat Pham
2025-12-02 19:18                               ` Chris Li
2025-12-02 18:18               ` Nhat Pham
2025-12-02 21:07                 ` Chris Li
2025-11-24 19:32       ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-11-24 20:24         ` Nhat Pham
2025-11-25 18:50         ` Chris Li
2025-11-26 21:58           ` Rik van Riel
2025-11-27  2:07             ` Chris Li
2025-11-27  2:34               ` Rik van Riel
2025-11-25 18:14     ` Chris Li
2025-11-25 18:55       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-11-21 15:14 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-11-22  1:52   ` Chris Li
2025-11-24 14:57     ` Nhat Pham
2025-11-22  9:59 ` Kairui Song
2025-11-22 13:58   ` Baoquan He
2025-12-02  2:56   ` Barry Song
2025-12-02  6:31     ` Baoquan He
2025-12-02 17:53       ` Nhat Pham
2025-12-02 21:01         ` Chris Li
2025-12-03  8:37 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-03 20:02   ` Chris Li
2025-12-04  6:16     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-04 10:11       ` Chris Li
2025-12-04 20:55         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-05  8:56           ` Kairui Song

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