From: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org>,
Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>,
willy@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
mhocko@suse.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
baohua@kernel.org, lance.yang@linux.dev,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/huge_memory: consolidate order-related checks into folio_split_supported()
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 14:30:15 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251114143015.k46icn247a4azp7s@master> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01FABE3A-AD4E-4A09-B971-C89503A848DF@nvidia.com>
On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 07:43:38AM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
>On 14 Nov 2025, at 3:49, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
>
[...]
>>> +
>>> + if (new_order >= old_order)
>>> + return -EINVAL;
>>> +
>>> if (folio_test_anon(folio)) {
>>> /* order-1 is not supported for anonymous THP. */
>>> VM_WARN_ONCE(warns && new_order == 1,
>>> "Cannot split to order-1 folio");
>>> if (new_order == 1)
>>> return false;
>>> - } else if (split_type == SPLIT_TYPE_NON_UNIFORM || new_order) {
>>> - if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS) &&
>>> - !mapping_large_folio_support(folio->mapping)) {
>>> - /*
>>> - * We can always split a folio down to a single page
>>> - * (new_order == 0) uniformly.
>>> - *
>>> - * For any other scenario
>>> - * a) uniform split targeting a large folio
>>> - * (new_order > 0)
>>> - * b) any non-uniform split
>>> - * we must confirm that the file system supports large
>>> - * folios.
>>> - *
>>> - * Note that we might still have THPs in such
>>> - * mappings, which is created from khugepaged when
>>> - * CONFIG_READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS is enabled. But in that
>>> - * case, the mapping does not actually support large
>>> - * folios properly.
>>> - */
>>> + } else {
>>> + const struct address_space *mapping = NULL;
>>> +
>>> + mapping = folio->mapping;
>>
>> const struct address_space *mapping = folio->mapping;
>>
>>> +
>>> + /* Truncated ? */
>>> + /*
>>> + * TODO: add support for large shmem folio in swap cache.
>>> + * When shmem is in swap cache, mapping is NULL and
>>> + * folio_test_swapcache() is true.
>>> + */
>>> + if (!mapping)
>>> + return false;
>>> +
>>> + /*
>>> + * We have two types of split:
>>> + *
>>> + * a) uniform split: split folio directly to new_order.
>>> + * b) non-uniform split: create after-split folios with
>>> + * orders from (old_order - 1) to new_order.
>>> + *
>>> + * For file system, we encodes it supported folio order in
>>> + * mapping->flags, which could be checked by
>>> + * mapping_folio_order_supported().
>>> + *
>>> + * With these knowledge, we can know whether folio support
>>> + * split to new_order by:
>>> + *
>>> + * 1. check new_order is supported first
>>> + * 2. check (old_order - 1) is supported if
>>> + * SPLIT_TYPE_NON_UNIFORM
>>> + */
>>> + if (!mapping_folio_order_supported(mapping, new_order)) {
>>> + VM_WARN_ONCE(warns,
>>> + "Cannot split file folio to unsupported order: %d", new_order);
>>
>> Is that really worth a VM_WARN_ONCE? We didn't have that previously IIUC, we would only return
>> -EINVAL.
>
Sorry for introducing this unpleasant affair.
Hope I can explain what I have done.
>No, and it causes undesired warning when LBS folio is enabled. I explicitly
>removed this warning one month ago in the LBS related patch[1].
>
Yes, I see you removal of a warning in [1].
While in the discussion in [2], you mentioned:
Then, you might want to add a helper function mapping_folio_order_supported()
instead and change the warning message below to "Cannot split file folio to
unsupported order [%d, %d]", min_order, max_order (showing min/max order
is optional since it kinda defeat the purpose of having the helper function).
Of course, the comment needs to be changed.
I thought you agree to print a warning message here. So I am confused.
>It is so frustrating to see this part of patch. Wei has RB in the aforementioned
>patch and still add this warning blindly. I am not sure if Wei understands
>what he is doing, since he threw the idea to me and I told him to just
>move the code without changing the logic, but he insisted doing it in his
>own way and failed[2]. This retry is still wrong.
>
I think we are still discussing the problem and a patch maybe more convenient
to proceed. I didn't insist anything and actually I am looking forward your
option and always respect your insight. Never thought to offend you.
In discussion [2], you pointed out two concerns:
1) new_order < min_order is meaning less if min_order is 0
2) how to do the check if new_order is 0 for non-uniform split
For 1), you suggested to add mapping_folio_order_supported().
For 2), I come up an idea to check (old_order - 1) <= max_order. Originally,
we just check !max_order. I think this could cover it.
So I gather them together here to see whether it is suitable.
If I missed some part, hope you could let me know.
>Wei, please make sure you understand the code before sending any patch.
>
>[1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20251017013630.139907-1-ziy@nvidia.com/
>[2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20251114030301.hkestzrk534ik7q4@master/
>
>Best Regards,
>Yan, Zi
--
Wei Yang
Help you, Help me
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-14 14:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-14 7:57 Wei Yang
2025-11-14 8:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-14 12:43 ` Zi Yan
2025-11-14 14:30 ` Wei Yang [this message]
2025-11-14 20:53 ` Zi Yan
2025-11-15 2:42 ` Wei Yang
2025-11-14 15:03 ` Wei Yang
2025-11-14 19:36 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-15 2:51 ` Wei Yang
2025-11-15 5:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-15 9:43 ` Wei Yang
2025-12-04 15:13 ` Wei Yang
2025-11-19 12:37 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-11-19 12:39 ` Wei Yang
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