From: Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com>
To: mhocko@suse.com
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, andrii@kernel.org, ast@kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
inwardvessel@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, martin.lau@kernel.org, memxor@gmail.com,
roman.gushchin@linux.dev, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
song@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, tj@kernel.org,
Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 00:48:44 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251031164844.27060-1-ioworker0@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQSB-BgjKmSkrSO7@tiehlicka>
From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 10:31:36 +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 27-10-25 16:17:03, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > The second part is related to the fundamental question on when to
> > declare the OOM event. It's a trade-off between the risk of
> > unnecessary OOM kills and associated work losses and the risk of
> > infinite trashing and effective soft lockups. In the last few years
> > several PSI-based userspace solutions were developed (e.g. OOMd [3] or
> > systemd-OOMd [4]). The common idea was to use userspace daemons to
> > implement custom OOM logic as well as rely on PSI monitoring to avoid
> > stalls. In this scenario the userspace daemon was supposed to handle
> > the majority of OOMs, while the in-kernel OOM killer worked as the
> > last resort measure to guarantee that the system would never deadlock
> > on the memory. But this approach creates additional infrastructure
> > churn: userspace OOM daemon is a separate entity which needs to be
> > deployed, updated, monitored. A completely different pipeline needs to
> > be built to monitor both types of OOM events and collect associated
> > logs. A userspace daemon is more restricted in terms on what data is
> > available to it. Implementing a daemon which can work reliably under a
> > heavy memory pressure in the system is also tricky.
>
> I do not see this part addressed in the series. Am I just missing
> something or this will follow up once the initial (plugging to the
> existing OOM handling) is merged?
I noticed that this thread only shows up to patch 10/23. The subsequent
patches (11-23) appear to be missing ...
This might be why we're not seeing the userspace OOM daemon part
addressed. I suspect the relevant code is likely in those subsequent
patches.
Cheers,
Lance
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-31 16:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-27 23:17 Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19 ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 0:05 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19 ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 3:03 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 6:14 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 4:32 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 0:03 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 0:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 6:33 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 21:04 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 0:43 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:32 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:34 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33 ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 0:20 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 5:57 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:02 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 1:45 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 8:18 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:05 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03 ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:08 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48 ` Lance Yang [this message]
2025-11-02 20:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18 ` Michal Hocko
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