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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	willy@infradead.org, dlemoal@kernel.org, hans.holmberg@wdc.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] writeback: allow the file system to override MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 06:37:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251016043758.GB29905@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251015155735.GC6178@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 08:57:35AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> Should this be some sort of BDI field?  Maybe there are other workloads
> that create a lot of dirty pages and the sysadmin would like to be able
> to tell the fs to schedule larger chunks of writeback before switching
> to another inode?

The BDI is not owned by the file system, but rather the gendisk, so we
can't just override it in the file systems.  I still hope that eventually
changes, in which case we could revisit it.  Having a tunable sounds neat,
but I'd rather get the fix out first and then design something like that.

> 
> XFS can have two volumes, should we be using the rtdev's bdi for
> realtime files and the data dev's bdi for non-rt files?  That looks like
> a mess to sort out though, since there's a fair number of places where
> we just dereference super_block::s_bdi.

Each file system only uses a single BDI, which in case of XFS is the
one of the gendisk that the main device sits on.  Only the bdevfs uses
multiple BDIs (one per file{) and that required hard coded hacks in the
writeback code.  I don't think there is any benefit in having multiple
BIDs for real file system, the parallelization work that just got reposted
works inside a BDI.

> Also I have no idea what we'd do for filesystem raid -- synthesize a bdi
> for that?  And then how would you advertise that such-and-such fd maps
> to a particular bdi?

btrfs allocates it's own BDI.  And I hope that we eventually move to a
model where the file system always own the BDI as that would simplify
object lifetimes an relationships and locking a lot.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16  4:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-15  6:27 allow file systems to increase the minimum writeback chunk size Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  6:27 ` [PATCH 1/3] writeback: cleanup writeback_chunk_size Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  7:05   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-10-15 15:48   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-20  9:34   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-15  6:27 ` [PATCH 2/3] writeback: allow the file system to override MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  7:09   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-10-15  7:27     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15 15:13   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-10-16  4:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15 15:57   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-16  4:37     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-10-15 20:49   ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-16  4:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-16  8:23       ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-15  6:27 ` [PATCH 3/3] xfs: set s_min_writeback_pages for zoned file systems Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  7:10   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-10-15 16:01   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-15  7:11 ` allow file systems to increase the minimum writeback chunk size Damien Le Moal
2025-10-17  3:45 allow file systems to increase the minimum writeback chunk size v2 Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-17  3:45 ` [PATCH 2/3] writeback: allow the file system to override MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-17 12:32   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-17 15:45   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-20  9:35   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-24 14:33   ` Nirjhar Roy (IBM)
2025-10-24 15:12     ` Christoph Hellwig

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