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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	"Tobin C. Harding" <tobin@kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Revisiting Slab Movable Objects
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 08:40:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250423074039.GE2023217@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aAiUtCKJOdWjYxDZ@harry>

On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 04:20:20PM +0900, Harry Yoo wrote:

> If we can't migrate or reclaim dentries with a nonzero refcount,
> can we at least prevent slab pages from containing a mix of dentries
> with zero and nonzero refcounts?
> 
> An idea: "Migrate a dentry (and inode?) _before_ it becomes unrelocatable"
> This is somewhat similar to "Migrate a page out of the movable area before
> pinning it" in MM.
> 
> For example, suppose we have two slab caches for dentry:
> dentry_cache_unref and dentry_cache_ref.
> 
> When a dentry with a zero refcount is about to have its refcount
> incremented, the VFS allocates a new object from dentry_cache_ref, copies
> the dentry into it, frees the original dentry back to
> dentry_cache_unref, and returns the newly allocated object.
> 
> Similarly when a dentry with a nonzero refcount drops to zero,
> it is migrated to dentry_cache_unref. This should be handled on the VFS
> side rather than by the slab allocator.
> 
> This approach could, at least, help reduce fragmentation.

No.  This is utterly insane - you'd need to insert RCU delay on each
of those transitions and that is not to mention the frequency with
which those will happen on a lot of loads (any kind of builds included).
Not a chance.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-23  7:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-21 13:47 Harry Yoo
2025-04-21 16:33 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-04-22 23:17   ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-23  5:53   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-04-21 21:54 ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-23  1:47   ` Al Viro
2025-04-23  7:20     ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-23  7:40       ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-04-25 11:09   ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-28 15:31     ` Jann Horn
2025-04-30 13:11       ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-30 22:23         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 23:29         ` Dave Chinner
2025-04-21 21:59 ` Tobin C. Harding

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