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From: Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@samsung.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>, <david@fromorbit.com>,
	<leon@kernel.org>, <kbusch@kernel.org>, <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	<axboe@kernel.dk>, <joro@8bytes.org>, <brauner@kernel.org>,
	<hare@suse.de>, <willy@infradead.org>, <djwong@kernel.org>,
	<john.g.garry@oracle.com>, <ritesh.list@gmail.com>,
	<p.raghav@samsung.com>, <gost.dev@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] breaking the 512 KiB IO boundary on x86_64
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 10:14:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250321091458.rpnwezqjb2t7lwhy@AALNPWDAGOMEZ1.aal.scsc.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250320145449.GA14191@lst.de>

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 03:54:49PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 02:47:22PM +0100, Daniel Gomez wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 04:41:11AM +0100, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> > > We've been constrained to a max single 512 KiB IO for a while now on x86_64.
> > > This is due to the number of DMA segments and the segment size. With LBS the
> > > segments can be much bigger without using huge pages, and so on a 64 KiB
> > > block size filesystem you can now see 2 MiB IOs when using buffered IO.
> > 
> > Actually up to 8 MiB I/O with 64k filesystem block size with buffered I/O
> > as we can describe up to 128 segments at 64k size.
> 
> Block layer segments are in no way limited to the logical block size.

You are right but that was not what I meant. I'll use a 16 KiB fs
example as with 64 KiB you hit the current NVMe 8 MiB driver limit
(NVME_MAX_KB_SZ):

"on a 16 KiB block size filesystem, using buffered I/O will always allow
at least 2 MiB I/O, though higher I/O may be possible".

And yes, we can do 8 MiB I/O with direct I/O as well. It's just not
reliable unless huge pages are used. The maximum reliable supported I/O
size is 512 KiB.

With buffered I/O, a larger fs block size guarantees a specific upper
limit, i.e 2 MiB for 16 KiB, 4 MiB for 32 KiB and 8 MiB for 64 KiB.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-21  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-20 11:41 Luis Chamberlain
2025-03-20 12:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-03-20 13:29   ` Daniel Gomez
2025-03-20 14:31     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-03-20 13:47 ` Daniel Gomez
2025-03-20 14:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-21  9:14     ` Daniel Gomez [this message]
2025-03-20 14:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20 15:37   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-20 15:58     ` Keith Busch
2025-03-20 16:13       ` Kanchan Joshi
2025-03-20 16:38       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20 21:50         ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-03-20 21:46       ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-03-20 21:40   ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-03-20 18:46 ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-20 21:30   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-03-21  2:13     ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-21  3:05       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-03-21  4:56         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-03-21  5:00           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-21 18:39             ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-21 16:38       ` Keith Busch
2025-03-21 17:21         ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-03-21 18:55           ` Keith Busch

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