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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Jingxiang Zeng <jingxiangzeng.cas@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mhocko@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	kasong@tencent.com, Zeng Jingxiang <linuszeng@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] add option to restore swap account to cgroupv1 mode
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250319193838.GE1876369@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250319064148.774406-1-jingxiangzeng.cas@gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 02:41:43PM +0800, Jingxiang Zeng wrote:
> From: Zeng Jingxiang <linuszeng@tencent.com>
> 
> memsw account is a very useful knob for container memory
> overcommitting: It's a great abstraction of the "expected total
> memory usage" of a container, so containers can't allocate too
> much memory using SWAP, but still be able to SWAP out.
> 
> For a simple example, with memsw.limit == memory.limit, containers
> can't exceed their original memory limit, even with SWAP enabled, they
> get OOM killed as how they used to, but the host is now able to
> offload cold pages.
> 
> Similar ability seems absent with V2: With memory.swap.max == 0, the
> host can't use SWAP to reclaim container memory at all. But with a
> value larger than that, containers are able to overuse memory, causing
> delayed OOM kill, thrashing, CPU/Memory usage ratio could be heavily
> out of balance, especially with compress SWAP backends.
> 
> This patch set adds two interfaces to control the behavior of the
> memory.swap.max/current in cgroupv2:
> 
> CONFIG_MEMSW_ACCOUNT_ON_DFL
> cgroup.memsw_account_on_dfl={0, 1}
> 
> When one of the interfaces is enabled: memory.swap.current and
> memory.swap.max represents the usage/limit of swap.
> When neither is enabled (default behavior),memory.swap.current and
> memory.swap.max represents the usage/limit of memory+swap.

This should be new knobs, e.g. memory.memsw.current, memory.memsw.max.

Overloading the existing swap knobs is confusing.

And there doesn't seem to be a good reason to make the behavior
either-or anyway. If memory.swap.max=max (default), it won't interfere
with the memsw operation. And it's at least conceivable somebody might
want to set both, memsw.max > swap.max, to get some flexibility while
excluding the craziest edge cases.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-19 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-19  6:41 Jingxiang Zeng
2025-03-19  6:41 ` [RFC 1/5] Kconfig: add SWAP_CHARGE_V1_MODE config Jingxiang Zeng
2025-03-19 19:29   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-19 19:31     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-19  6:41 ` [RFC 2/5] memcontrol: add boot option to enable memsw account on dfl Jingxiang Zeng
2025-03-19 19:34   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-19 22:30     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-03-20  8:43       ` jingxiang zeng
2025-03-20 14:28       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-03-20 15:16         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-03-20 15:33         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-04-02 13:40           ` Michal Koutný
2025-04-03  7:47             ` [External] " Zhongkun He
2025-04-03  9:16               ` jingxiang zeng
2025-04-11 16:57                 ` Michal Koutný
2025-04-16  8:29                   ` jingxiang zeng
2025-05-05 18:29                     ` Michal Koutný
2025-03-20  8:51     ` jingxiang zeng
2025-03-19  6:41 ` [RFC 3/5] mm/memcontrol: do not scan anon pages if memsw limit is hit Jingxiang Zeng
2025-03-19 19:36   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-20  8:40     ` jingxiang zeng
2025-03-19  6:41 ` [RFC 4/5] mm/memcontrol: allow memsw account in cgroup v2 Jingxiang Zeng
2025-03-19  6:41 ` [RFC 5/5] Docs/cgroup-v2: add cgroup.memsw_account_on_dfl Documentation Jingxiang Zeng
2025-03-19 19:27 ` [RFC 0/5] add option to restore swap account to cgroupv1 mode Shakeel Butt
2025-03-19 19:38 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2025-03-19 19:51   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-20  8:09   ` jingxiang zeng
2025-03-20 15:08     ` Johannes Weiner

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