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From: SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <howlett@gmail.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/9] mm/madvise: batch tlb flushes for MADV_DONTNEED and MADV_FREE
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 16:27:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250310232710.74733-1-sj@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250310153921.47d390c637105e3ad6fc49c0@linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 15:39:21 -0700 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:23:09 -0700 SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> >  It is unclear if such use case
> > is common and the inefficiency is significant. 
> 
> Well, we could conduct a survey,
> 
> Can you add some logging to detect when userspace performs such an
> madvise() call, then run that kernel on some "typical" machines which
> are running "typical" workloads?  That should give us a feeling for how
> often userspace does this,

I agree that could make this patch series more informative.

> and hence will help us understand the usefulness
> of this patchset.

Nevertheless, what this patchset is really trying to optimize is not the
madvise() use case, but process_madvise() use.  I believe the usage is
apparently common, given the vectorization based semantic of process_madvise().
Jemalloc is also adding[1] that kind of use case.  And the benefit is clear,
given the microbenchmark results that I shared.

Also, this patchset shouldn't introduce new regression to madvise().

Hence, I think the survey can be interestign and helpful, but shouldn't be a
blocker for this patch series.  Coudl you please let me know if I'm missing
something and if you still want the survey?

[1] https://github.com/jemalloc/jemalloc/pull/2794


Thanks,
SJ


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-10 23:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-10 17:23 SeongJae Park
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 1/9] mm/madvise: use is_memory_failure() from madvise_do_behavior() SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 11:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 2/9] mm/madvise: split out populate behavior check logic SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 11:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 3/9] mm/madvise: deduplicate madvise_do_behavior() skip case handlings SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 12:02   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-11 20:54     ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 4/9] mm/madvise: remove len parameter of madvise_do_behavior() SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 12:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 5/9] mm/madvise: define and use madvise_behavior struct for madvise_do_behavior() SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 12:17   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-11 20:56     ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-12  5:47       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-12 17:23         ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 6/9] mm/memory: split non-tlb flushing part from zap_page_range_single() SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 12:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-11 20:58     ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-31 20:24       ` SeongJae Park
2025-04-01  1:45   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-04-01  2:48     ` SeongJae Park
2025-04-01 14:03       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-04-01 21:25         ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm/madvise: let madvise_{dontneed,free}_single_vma() caller batches tlb flushes SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 13:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-11 21:00     ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm/madvise: batch tlb flushes for [process_]madvise(MADV_{DONTNEED[_LOCKED],FREE}) SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 13:59   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-11 21:01     ` SeongJae Park
2025-04-01 21:17   ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-10 17:23 ` [PATCH 9/9] mm/madvise: remove !tlb support from madvise_{dontneed,free}_single_vma() SeongJae Park
2025-03-11 14:01   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-11 21:02     ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-12 13:46       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-01 21:22         ` SeongJae Park
2025-03-10 22:39 ` [PATCH 0/9] mm/madvise: batch tlb flushes for MADV_DONTNEED and MADV_FREE Andrew Morton
2025-03-10 23:15   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-10 23:36     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-03-11 11:17       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-10 23:27   ` SeongJae Park [this message]
2025-03-11 12:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-03-11 21:03   ` SeongJae Park

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