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From: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6 v2] mm: Drain LRUs upon resume to userspace on nohz_full CPUs
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:31:31 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250211113133.2176-1-hdanton@sina.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z6nnJEpL8pPVtvAj@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 12:46:44 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker
> Le Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 06:50:26PM +0800, Hillf Danton
> > On Sun,  9 Feb 2025 23:30:04 +0100 Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
> > > @@ -769,6 +772,9 @@ static bool cpu_needs_drain(unsigned int cpu)
> > >  {
> > >  	struct cpu_fbatches *fbatches = &per_cpu(cpu_fbatches, cpu);
> > >  
> > > +	if (!housekeeping_cpu(cpu, HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE))
> > > +		return false;
> > > +
> > >  	/* Check these in order of likelihood that they're not zero */
> > >  	return folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_add) ||
> > >  		folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_move_tail) ||
> > > -- 
> > > 2.46.0
> > 
> > Nit, I'd like to add a debug line to test your assumption that
> > isolated tasks are pinned to a single nohz_full CPU.
> > 
> > --- x/mm/swap.c
> > +++ y/mm/swap.c
> > @@ -767,9 +767,10 @@ static void lru_add_drain_per_cpu(struct
> >  static bool cpu_needs_drain(unsigned int cpu)
> >  {
> >  	struct cpu_fbatches *fbatches = &per_cpu(cpu_fbatches, cpu);
> > +	bool yes;
> >  
> >  	/* Check these in order of likelihood that they're not zero */
> > -	return folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_add) ||
> > +	yes = folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_add) ||
> >  		folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_move_tail) ||
> >  		folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_deactivate_file) ||
> >  		folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_deactivate) ||
> > @@ -777,6 +778,12 @@ static bool cpu_needs_drain(unsigned int
> >  		folio_batch_count(&fbatches->lru_activate) ||
> >  		need_mlock_drain(cpu) ||
> >  		has_bh_in_lru(cpu, NULL);
> > +
> > +	if (!housekeeping_cpu(cpu, HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE)) {
> > +		VM_BUG_ON(yes);
> > +		return false;
> > +	}
> > +	return yes;
> 
> If the task isn't pinned then the guarantees of nohz_full are broken anyway.
> Also if the task migrates it will simply execute the work elsewhere.
> 
Coding in kernel depends on the smart/stupid activity in user space, but
the dependence sounds no good.

> My only worry is kernel threads. Those are simply ignored in this patchset but
> this is not right as they can do allocations. Yet they can't execute anything
> on return to userspace...
> 
> Thoughts?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-11 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-09 22:29 [PATCH 0/6 v2] mm: LRU drain flush on nohz_full Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-09 22:29 ` [PATCH 1/6 v2] task_work: Provide means to check if a work is queued Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-10 12:43   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-03-25 14:25     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-27 16:25   ` Valentin Schneider
2025-02-09 22:30 ` [PATCH 2/6 v2] sched/fair: Use task_work_queued() on numa_work Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-10 12:47   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-27 16:25   ` Valentin Schneider
2025-02-09 22:30 ` [PATCH 3/6 v2] sched: Use task_work_queued() on cid_work Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-10 12:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-09 22:30 ` [PATCH 4/6 v2] tick/nohz: Move nohz_full related fields out of hot task struct's places Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-09 22:30 ` [PATCH 5/6 v2] sched/isolation: Introduce isolated task work Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-09 22:30 ` [PATCH 6/6 v2] mm: Drain LRUs upon resume to userspace on nohz_full CPUs Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-10 10:50   ` Hillf Danton
2025-02-10 11:19     ` Michal Hocko
2025-02-10 11:46     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-11 11:31       ` Hillf Danton [this message]
2025-02-11 11:42   ` Michal Hocko
2025-04-04 13:14     ` Frederic Weisbecker

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