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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
Cc: ebiederm@xmission.com, oleg@redhat.com, brauner@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 6/6] pid: drop irq disablement around pidmap_lock
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 18:19:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250201181933.07a3e7e2@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250201163106.28912-7-mjguzik@gmail.com>

On Sat,  1 Feb 2025 17:31:06 +0100
Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com> wrote:

> It no longer serves any purpose now that the tasklist_lock ->
> pidmap_lock ordering got eliminated.

Not disabling interrupts may make thing worse.
It is a trade off between 'interrupt latency' and 'lock hold time'.

If interrupts are disabled then (clearly) they can get delayed because
the lock is held.
Provided the lock is only held for a short time it probably doesn't matter.
Indeed, unless it is the worst one, it probably doesn't matter at all.
After all spin locks shouldn't really be held for significant periods.

OTOH if the lock doesn't disable interrupts then an interrupt will
increase the length of time a lock is held for.
This can be significant - and I mean upwards of 1ms.
Network interrupts can tale a while - and then the work that is deferred
to 'softint' context happens as well (I don't think a spinlock stops
the softint code).

I've a feeling that unless a spin lock is held for 'far longer than one
should ever be held for' then you really want to disable interrupts.

In this case if you get a network interrupt + softint while the pidmap_lock
is held then all other cpu won't be able to acquire the lock until the
network code finishes.

The same issue makes futex pretty much useless in anything trying to do
audio processing.

	David
 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-01 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-01 16:31 [PATCH v3 0/6] reduce tasklist_lock hold time on exit and do some Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-01 16:31 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] exit: perform add_device_randomness() without tasklist_lock Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-03 17:51   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-03 17:55     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-01 16:31 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] exit: hoist get_pid() in release_task() outside of tasklist_lock Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-03 19:27   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-03 19:35     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-03 20:13       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-03 20:22         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-03 20:28           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-04  1:51           ` Andrew Morton
2025-02-01 16:31 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] exit: postpone tty_kref_put() until after tasklist_lock is dropped Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-03 18:06   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-03 19:33     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-04 11:22       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-04 12:12         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-01 16:31 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] pid: sprinkle tasklist_lock asserts Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-01 16:31 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] pid: perform free_pid() calls outside of tasklist_lock Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-03 18:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-03 19:31     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-03 20:02       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-01 16:31 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] pid: drop irq disablement around pidmap_lock Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-01 17:42   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-01 17:45     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-01 18:19   ` David Laight [this message]
2025-02-01 18:42     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-01 21:51       ` David Laight
2025-02-01 22:00         ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-02 13:55           ` David Laight
2025-02-02 19:34             ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-02-02 20:44               ` David Laight
2025-02-02 22:06                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-03 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] reduce tasklist_lock hold time on exit and do some Oleg Nesterov

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