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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org>,
	"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	"pedro.falcato@gmail.com" <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>,
	Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Buiild error in i915/xe
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 11:15:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250120111551.435176c4@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ed0xrcb8.fsf@intel.com>

On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:48:11 +0200
Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025, David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:58:48 -0800
> > Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 1/18/25 14:11, David Laight wrote:  
> >> > On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 13:21:39 -0800
> >> > Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >> >     
> >> >> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 at 09:49, Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> wrote:    
> >> >>>
> >> >>> No idea why the compiler would know that the values are invalid.    
> >> >>
> >> >> It's not that the compiler knows tat they are invalid, but I bet what
> >> >> happens is in scale() (and possibly other places that do similar
> >> >> checks), which does this:
> >> >>
> >> >>          WARN_ON(source_min > source_max);
> >> >>          ...
> >> >>          source_val = clamp(source_val, source_min, source_max);
> >> >>
> >> >> and the compiler notices that the ordering comparison in the first
> >> >> WARN_ON() is the same as the one in clamp(), so it basically converts
> >> >> the logic to
> >> >>
> >> >>          if (source_min > source_max) {
> >> >>                  WARN(..);
> >> >>                  /* Do the clamp() knowing that source_min > source_max */
> >> >>                  source_val = clamp(source_val, source_min, source_max);
> >> >>          } else {
> >> >>                  /* Do the clamp knowing that source_min <= source_max */
> >> >>                  source_val = clamp(source_val, source_min, source_max);
> >> >>          }
> >> >>
> >> >> (obviously I dropped the other WARN_ON in the conversion, it wasn't
> >> >> relevant for this case).
> >> >>
> >> >> And now that first clamp() case is done with source_min > source_max,
> >> >> and it triggers that build error because that's invalid.
> >> >>
> >> >> So the condition is not statically true in the *source* code, but in
> >> >> the "I have moved code around to combine tests" case it now *is*
> >> >> statically true as far as the compiler is concerned.    
> >> > 
> >> > Well spotted :-)
> >> > 
> >> > One option would be to move the WARN_ON() below the clamp() and
> >> > add an OPTIMISER_HIDE_VAR(source_max) between them.
> >> > 
> >> > Or do something more sensible than the WARN().
> >> > Perhaps return target_min on any such errors?
> >> >     
> >> 
> >> This helps:
> >> 
> >> -       WARN_ON(source_min > source_max);
> >> -       WARN_ON(target_min > target_max);
> >> -
> >>          /* defensive */
> >>          source_val = clamp(source_val, source_min, source_max);
> >> 
> >> +       WARN_ON(source_min > source_max);
> >> +       WARN_ON(target_min > target_max);  
> >
> > That is a 'quick fix' ...
> >
> > Much better would be to replace the WARN() with (say):
> > 	if (target_min >= target_max)
> > 		return target_min;
> > 	if (source_min >= source_max)
> > 		return target_min + (target_max - target_min)/2;
> > So that the return values are actually in range (in as much as one is defined).
> > Note that the >= cpmparisons also remove a divide by zero.  
> 
> I want the loud and early warnings for clear bugs instead of
> "gracefully" silencing the errors only to be found through debugging
> user reports.

A user isn't going to notice a WARN() - not until you tell them to look for it.
In any case even if you output a message you really want to return a 'sane'
value, who knows what effect a very out of range value is going to have.

	David




  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-20 11:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-18 19:09 [PATCH next 0/7] minmax.h: Cleanups and minor optimisations David Laight
2024-11-18 19:11 ` [PATCH next 1/7] minmax.h: Add whitespace around operators and after commas David Laight
2024-11-18 19:12 ` [PATCH next 2/7] minmax.h: Update some comments David Laight
2024-11-18 19:12 ` [PATCH next 3/7] minmax.h: Reduce the #define expansion of min(), max() and clamp() David Laight
2024-11-18 19:13 ` [PATCH next 4/7] minmax.h: Use BUILD_BUG_ON_MSG() for the lo < hi test in clamp() David Laight
2025-01-18 16:13   ` Buiild error in i915/xe (was: [PATCH next 4/7] minmax.h: Use BUILD_BUG_ON_MSG() for the lo < hi test in clamp()) Guenter Roeck
2025-01-18 17:09     ` David Laight
2025-01-18 17:49       ` Guenter Roeck
2025-01-18 18:09         ` David Laight
2025-01-18 18:36           ` Buiild error in i915/xe Guenter Roeck
2025-01-18 21:18             ` David Laight
2025-01-18 21:38               ` Guenter Roeck
2025-01-18 21:21         ` Buiild error in i915/xe (was: [PATCH next 4/7] minmax.h: Use BUILD_BUG_ON_MSG() for the lo < hi test in clamp()) Linus Torvalds
2025-01-18 21:59           ` Buiild error in i915/xe Guenter Roeck
2025-01-18 22:04             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-01-18 22:11           ` Buiild error in i915/xe (was: [PATCH next 4/7] minmax.h: Use BUILD_BUG_ON_MSG() for the lo < hi test in clamp()) David Laight
2025-01-18 22:58             ` Buiild error in i915/xe Guenter Roeck
2025-01-19  9:09               ` David Laight
2025-01-20 10:48                 ` Jani Nikula
2025-01-20 11:15                   ` David Laight [this message]
2025-01-20 11:21                     ` Jani Nikula
2025-01-20 14:15                       ` Guenter Roeck
2025-01-20 18:41                         ` David Laight
2025-01-20 18:55                           ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-01-20 19:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-01-21  5:58                               ` Guenter Roeck
2025-01-18 23:24             ` Buiild error in i915/xe (was: [PATCH next 4/7] minmax.h: Use BUILD_BUG_ON_MSG() for the lo < hi test in clamp()) Pedro Falcato
2024-11-18 19:14 ` [PATCH next 5/7] minmax.h: Move all the clamp() definitions after the min/max() ones David Laight
2024-11-18 19:15 ` [PATCH next 6/7] minmax.h: Simplify the variants of clamp() David Laight
2024-11-22 20:20   ` kernel test robot
2024-11-28 15:05   ` kernel test robot
2024-11-28 15:52     ` David Laight
2024-11-18 19:15 ` [PATCH next 7/7] minmax.h: Remove some #defines that are only expanded once David Laight

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