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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 11/17] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:35:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250115153507.GF8362@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpEF14gXsGs9WMiHDqz8irrrzQrxFmbdzS-qT4xihdhWjQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 07:00:37AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 3:13 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 11:48:41AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 12:14:47PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Replacing down_read_trylock() with the new routine loses an acquire
> > > > > fence. That alone is not a problem, but see below.
> > > >
> > > > Hmm. I think this acquire fence is actually necessary. We don't want
> > > > the later vm_lock_seq check to be reordered and happen before we take
> > > > the refcount. Otherwise this might happen:
> > > >
> > > > reader             writer
> > > > if (vm_lock_seq == mm_lock_seq) // check got reordered
> > > >         return false;
> > > >                        vm_refcnt += VMA_LOCK_OFFSET
> > > >                        vm_lock_seq == mm_lock_seq
> > > >                        vm_refcnt -= VMA_LOCK_OFFSET
> > > > if (!__refcount_inc_not_zero_limited())
> > > >         return false;
> > > >
> > > > Both reader's checks will pass and the reader would read-lock a vma
> > > > that was write-locked.
> > >
> > > Hmm, you're right. That acquire does matter here.
> >
> > Notably, it means refcount_t is entirely unsuitable for anything
> > SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU, since they all will need secondary validation
> > conditions after the refcount succeeds.
> 
> Thanks for reviewing, Peter!
> Yes, I'm changing the code to use atomic_t instead of refcount_t and
> it comes out quite nicely I think. I had to add two small helper
> functions:
> vm_refcount_inc() - similar to refcount_add_not_zero() but with an
> acquired fence.
> vm_refcnt_sub() - similar to refcount_sub_and_test(). I could use
> atomic_sub_and_test() but that would add unnecessary acquire fence in
> the pagefault path, so I'm using refcount_sub_and_test() logic
> instead.

Right.

> For SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU I think we are ok with the
> __vma_enter_locked()/__vma_exit_locked() transition in the
> vma_mark_detached() before freeing the vma and would not need
> secondary validation. In __vma_enter_locked(), vm_refcount gets
> VMA_LOCK_OFFSET set, which prevents readers from taking the refcount.
> In __vma_exit_locked() vm_refcnt transitions to 0, so again that
> prevents readers from taking the refcount. IOW, the readers won't get
> to the secondary validation and will fail early on
> __refcount_inc_not_zero_limited(). I think this transition correctly
> serves the purpose of waiting for current temporary readers to exit
> and preventing new readers from read-locking and using the vma.

Consider:

    CPU0				CPU1

    rcu_read_lock();
    vma = vma_lookup(mm, vaddr);

    ... cpu goes sleep for a *long time* ...

    					__vma_exit_locked();
					vma_area_free()
					..
					vma = vma_area_alloc();
					vma_mark_attached();

    ... comes back once vma is re-used ...

    vma_start_read()
      vm_refcount_inc(); // success!!

At which point we need to validate vma is for mm and covers vaddr, which
is what patch 15 does, no?



Also, I seem to have forgotten some braces back in 2008 :-)

---
diff --git a/include/linux/slab.h b/include/linux/slab.h
index 10a971c2bde3..c1356b52f8ea 100644
--- a/include/linux/slab.h
+++ b/include/linux/slab.h
@@ -115,9 +115,10 @@ enum _slab_flag_bits {
  *   rcu_read_lock();
  *   obj = lockless_lookup(key);
  *   if (obj) {
- *     if (!try_get_ref(obj)) // might fail for free objects
+ *     if (!try_get_ref(obj)) { // might fail for free objects
  *       rcu_read_unlock();
  *       goto begin;
+ *     }
  *
  *     if (obj->key != key) { // not the object we expected
  *       put_ref(obj);


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-15 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-11  4:25 [PATCH v9 00/17] reimplement per-vma lock as a refcount Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 01/17] mm: introduce vma_start_read_locked{_nested} helpers Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 02/17] mm: move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 03/17] mm: mark vma as detached until it's added into vma tree Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 04/17] mm: introduce vma_iter_store_attached() to use with attached vmas Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 11:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 16:31     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 16:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 16:47       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 19:09         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-14 11:38           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 05/17] mm: mark vmas detached upon exit Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 12:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 17:02     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 17:13       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 19:11         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 20:32           ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-13 20:42             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-14 11:36               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 06/17] types: move struct rcuwait into types.h Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 14:46   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 07/17] mm: allow vma_start_read_locked/vma_start_read_locked_nested to fail Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 15:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 17:53     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-14 11:48       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 08/17] mm: move mmap_init_lock() out of the header file Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 15:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 17:53     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 09/17] mm: uninline the main body of vma_start_write() Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 15:52   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 10/17] refcount: introduce __refcount_{add|inc}_not_zero_limited Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  6:31   ` Hillf Danton
2025-01-11  9:59     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11 10:00       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11 12:13       ` Hillf Danton
2025-01-11 17:11         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11 23:44           ` Hillf Danton
2025-01-12  0:31             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15  9:39           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-16 10:52             ` Hillf Danton
2025-01-11 12:39   ` David Laight
2025-01-11 17:07     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-01-11 18:30     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-11 22:19       ` David Laight
2025-01-11 22:50         ` [PATCH v9 10/17] refcount: introduce __refcount_{add|inc}_not_zero_limited - clang 17.0.1 bug David Laight
2025-01-12 11:37           ` David Laight
2025-01-12 17:56             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 11/17] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11 11:24   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-01-11 20:14     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11 20:16       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11 20:31       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-01-11 20:58         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11 20:38       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-13  1:47       ` Wei Yang
2025-01-13  2:25         ` Wei Yang
2025-01-13 21:14           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 21:08         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15 10:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-15 11:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-15 15:00           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15 15:35             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-01-15 15:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-15 16:22                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15 16:00           ` [PATCH] refcount: Strengthen inc_not_zero() Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-16 15:12             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-17 15:41             ` Will Deacon
2025-01-27 14:09               ` Will Deacon
2025-01-27 19:21                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-28 23:51                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-02-06  2:52                     ` [PATCH 1/1] refcount: provide ops for cases when object's memory can be reused Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-02-06 10:41                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-02-06  3:03                     ` [PATCH] refcount: Strengthen inc_not_zero() Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-02-13 23:04                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-17 16:13             ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-01-12  2:59   ` [PATCH v9 11/17] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count Wei Yang
2025-01-12 17:35     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13  0:59       ` Wei Yang
2025-01-13  2:37   ` Wei Yang
2025-01-13 21:16     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13  9:36   ` Wei Yang
2025-01-13 21:18     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15  2:58   ` Wei Yang
2025-01-15  3:12     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15 12:05       ` Wei Yang
2025-01-15 15:01         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-16  1:37           ` Wei Yang
2025-01-16  1:41             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-16  9:10               ` Wei Yang
2025-01-11  4:25 ` [PATCH v9 12/17] mm: move lesser used vma_area_struct members into the last cacheline Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 16:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15 10:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-15 16:39     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-02-13 22:59       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:26 ` [PATCH v9 13/17] mm/debug: print vm_refcnt state when dumping the vma Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 16:21   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 16:35     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-13 17:57       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-14 11:41         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-11  4:26 ` [PATCH v9 14/17] mm: remove extra vma_numab_state_init() call Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 16:28   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 17:56     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-14 11:45       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-11  4:26 ` [PATCH v9 15/17] mm: prepare lock_vma_under_rcu() for vma reuse possibility Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:26 ` [PATCH v9 16/17] mm: make vma cache SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15  2:27   ` Wei Yang
2025-01-15  3:15     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15  3:58       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-15  5:41         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15  3:59       ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-01-15  5:47         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15  5:51           ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-01-15  6:41             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15  7:58       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-15 15:10         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-02-13 22:56           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15 12:17       ` Wei Yang
2025-01-15 21:46         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:26 ` [PATCH v9 17/17] docs/mm: document latest changes to vm_lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 16:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 17:56     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-11  4:52 ` [PATCH v9 00/17] reimplement per-vma lock as a refcount Matthew Wilcox
2025-01-11  9:45   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 12:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 16:58   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-13 17:11     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-13 19:00       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-14 11:35         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14  1:49   ` Andrew Morton
2025-01-14  2:53     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-14  4:09       ` Andrew Morton
2025-01-14  9:09         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-14 10:27           ` Hillf Danton
2025-01-14  9:47         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 14:59         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-14 15:54           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-15 11:34             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15 15:14               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-28  5:26 ` Shivank Garg
2025-01-28  5:50   ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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