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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 00/16] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:59:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250115085959.GD8385@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250110170105.GE4213@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 06:01:05PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 07:48:32AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 3:51 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 06:30:09PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > Back when per-vma locks were introduces, vm_lock was moved out of
> > > > vm_area_struct in [1] because of the performance regression caused by
> > > > false cacheline sharing. Recent investigation [2] revealed that the
> > > > regressions is limited to a rather old Broadwell microarchitecture and
> > > > even there it can be mitigated by disabling adjacent cacheline
> > > > prefetching, see [3].
> > > > Splitting single logical structure into multiple ones leads to more
> > > > complicated management, extra pointer dereferences and overall less
> > > > maintainable code. When that split-away part is a lock, it complicates
> > > > things even further. With no performance benefits, there are no reasons
> > > > for this split. Merging the vm_lock back into vm_area_struct also allows
> > > > vm_area_struct to use SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU later in this patchset.
> > > > This patchset:
> > > > 1. moves vm_lock back into vm_area_struct, aligning it at the cacheline
> > > > boundary and changing the cache to be cacheline-aligned to minimize
> > > > cacheline sharing;
> > > > 2. changes vm_area_struct initialization to mark new vma as detached until
> > > > it is inserted into vma tree;
> > > > 3. replaces vm_lock and vma->detached flag with a reference counter;
> > > > 4. changes vm_area_struct cache to SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU to allow for their
> > > > reuse and to minimize call_rcu() calls.
> > >
> > > Does not clean up that reattach nonsense :-(
> > 
> > Oh, no. I think it does. That's why in [1] I introduce
> > vma_iter_store_attached() to be used on already attached vmas and to
> > avoid marking them attached again. Also I added assertions in
> > vma_mark_attached()/vma_mark_detached() to avoid re-attaching or
> > re-detaching. Unless I misunderstood your comment?
> 
> Hmm, I'll go read the thing again, maybe I missed it.

You're right. I was looking for the approach that changed the need to
reattach, by moving the point of no return.

This should do for now.

Let me see if I can find time today to finally do a proper reading.

Thanks!


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-15  9:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-09  2:30 Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 01/16] mm: introduce vma_start_read_locked{_nested} helpers Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 02/16] mm: move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 03/16] mm: mark vma as detached until it's added into vma tree Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 04/16] mm: introduce vma_iter_store_attached() to use with attached vmas Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09 14:01   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 05/16] mm: mark vmas detached upon exit Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 06/16] types: move struct rcuwait into types.h Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 07/16] mm: allow vma_start_read_locked/vma_start_read_locked_nested to fail Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 08/16] mm: move mmap_init_lock() out of the header file Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 09/16] mm: uninline the main body of vma_start_write() Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 10/16] refcount: introduce __refcount_{add|inc}_not_zero_limited Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09 14:42   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-11  1:33     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 11/16] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09 10:35   ` Hillf Danton
2025-01-09 16:01     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 14:34   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-10 15:56     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 16:47       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 16:50         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 22:26       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-10 22:37         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 12/16] mm/debug: print vm_refcnt state when dumping the vma Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 13/16] mm: remove extra vma_numab_state_init() call Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 14/16] mm: prepare lock_vma_under_rcu() for vma reuse possibility Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 15/16] mm: make vma cache SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 15:32   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-10 16:07     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 22:14       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-11  3:37       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 17:47   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-10 19:07     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 19:46       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-10 20:34         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 20:47           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-10 21:32             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 19:51       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-10 20:40         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 20:48           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-09  2:30 ` [PATCH v8 16/16] docs/mm: document latest changes to vm_lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09  2:32 ` [PATCH v8 00/16] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09 11:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-09 15:48   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 17:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-15  8:59       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-01-09 13:41 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-09 15:57   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10  0:14     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-09 15:59   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10  0:16     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 15:36       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-10 16:08         ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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