From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 10/16] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:20:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241219112011.GA34942@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241219091334.GC26551@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 10:13:34AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 01:53:17PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>
> > Ah, ok I see now. I completely misunderstood what for_each_vma_range()
> > was doing.
> >
> > Then I think vma_start_write() should remain inside
> > vms_gather_munmap_vmas() and all vmas in mas_detach should be
>
> No, it must not. You really are not modifying anything yet (except the
> split, which we've already noted mark write themselves).
>
> > write-locked, even the ones we are not modifying. Otherwise what would
> > prevent the race I mentioned before?
> >
> > __mmap_region
> > __mmap_prepare
> > vms_gather_munmap_vmas // adds vmas to be unmapped into mas_detach,
> > // some locked
> > by __split_vma(), some not locked
> >
> > lock_vma_under_rcu()
> > vma = mas_walk // finds
> > unlocked vma also in mas_detach
> > vma_start_read(vma) //
> > succeeds since vma is not locked
> > // vma->detached, vm_start,
> > vm_end checks pass
> > // vma is successfully read-locked
> >
> > vms_clean_up_area(mas_detach)
> > vms_clear_ptes
> > // steps on a cleared PTE
>
> So here we have the added complexity that the vma is not unhooked at
> all. Is there anything that would prevent a concurrent gup_fast() from
> doing the same -- touch a cleared PTE?
>
> AFAICT two threads, one doing overlapping mmap() and the other doing
> gup_fast() can result in exactly this scenario.
>
> If we don't care about the GUP case, when I'm thinking we should not
> care about the lockless RCU case either.
Also, at this point we'll just fail to find a page, and that is nothing
special. The problem with accessing an unmapped VMA is that the
page-table walk will instantiate page-tables.
Given this is an overlapping mmap -- we're going to need to those
page-tables anyway, so no harm done.
Only after the VMA is unlinked must we ensure we don't accidentally
re-instantiate page-tables.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-12-19 11:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-16 19:24 [PATCH v6 00/16] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 01/16] mm: introduce vma_start_read_locked{_nested} helpers Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 02/16] mm: move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 03/16] mm: mark vma as detached until it's added into vma tree Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 04/16] mm/nommu: fix the last places where vma is not locked before being attached Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 05/16] types: move struct rcuwait into types.h Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 06/16] mm: allow vma_start_read_locked/vma_start_read_locked_nested to fail Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 11:31 ` Lokesh Gidra
2024-12-17 15:51 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 07/16] mm: move mmap_init_lock() out of the header file Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 08/16] mm: uninline the main body of vma_start_write() Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 09/16] refcount: introduce __refcount_{add|inc}_not_zero_limited Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 10/16] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 20:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 20:53 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:53 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 22:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:44 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 10:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-17 16:27 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 10:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 15:37 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 15:50 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 16:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 17:36 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 17:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 17:58 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 19:00 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 19:07 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 19:29 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 19:38 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 20:00 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 20:38 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 21:53 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 21:55 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 0:35 ` Andrew Morton
2024-12-19 0:47 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 9:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 11:20 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-12-19 16:17 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 17:16 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-19 17:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 18:18 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-19 18:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 18:55 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-20 15:22 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-23 3:03 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:12 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 16:14 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 17:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 8:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 16:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 8:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 16:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 15:57 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 16:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 15:42 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 11/16] mm: enforce vma to be in detached state before freeing Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 21:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:57 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 12/16] mm: remove extra vma_numab_state_init() call Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 13/16] mm: introduce vma_ensure_detached() Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 10:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-17 15:58 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 14/16] mm: prepare lock_vma_under_rcu() for vma reuse possibility Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 15/16] mm: make vma cache SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 16/16] docs/mm: document latest changes to vm_lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:39 ` [PATCH v6 00/16] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 18:42 ` Andrew Morton
2024-12-17 18:49 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
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