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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Hou Tao <houtao1@huawei.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/6] mm, bpf: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK for opportunistic page allocation
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:09:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241213150950.2879b7db@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQ+R3ABHX2sdiTqjgZDgn0==cA3gryx9h_uDktU6P2s2aw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:44:26 -0800
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:

> > But this is not the case. I'm not sure what would happen here, but it is
> > definitely out of scope of the requirements of the PI logic and thus,
> > trylock must also not be used in hard interrupt context.  
> 
> If hard-irq acquired rt_mutex B (spin_lock or spin_trylock doesn't
> change the above analysis), the task won't schedule
> and it has to release this rt_mutex B before reenabling irq.
> The irqrestore without releasing the lock is a bug regardless.
> 
> What's the concern then? That PI may see an odd order of locks for this task ?
> but it cannot do anything about it anyway, since the task won't schedule.
> And before irq handler is over the B will be released and everything
> will look normal again.

The problem is the chain walk. It could also cause unwanted side effects in RT.

If low priority task 1 has lock A and is running on another CPU and low
priority task 2 blocks on lock A and then is interrupted right before going
to sleep as being "blocked on", and takes lock B in the interrupt context.
We then have high priority task 3 on another CPU block on B which will then
see that the owner of B is blocked (even though it is not blocked for B), it
will boost its priority as well as the owner of the lock (A). The A owner
will get boosted where it is not the task that is blocking the high
priority task.

My point is that RT is all about deterministic behavior. It would require
a pretty substantial audit to the PI logic to make sure that this doesn't
cause any unexpected results.

My point is, the PI logic was not designed for taking a lock after being
blocked on another lock. It may work, but we had better prove and show all
side effects that can happen in these cases.

-- Steve


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-13 20:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-10  2:39 [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/6] bpf, mm: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/6] mm, bpf: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK for opportunistic page allocation Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  5:31   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-10  9:05     ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-10 20:25       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 10:08         ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-10 22:06       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:19         ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-12 15:07         ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-12 15:21           ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-12 15:35             ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-12 15:48               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-12 16:00                 ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-13 17:44                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-13 18:44                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-13 18:57                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-13 20:09                       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2024-12-13 21:00                         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-13 22:02                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 21:57               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 21:42     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  9:01   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-10 21:53     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11  8:38       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  2:14         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12  8:54           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10 18:39   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10 22:42     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11  8:48       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/6] mm, bpf: Introduce free_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  8:35   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-10 22:49     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 14:44       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-12 19:57         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:11   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  1:43     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce local_trylock_irqsave() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:53   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-11 11:55     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  2:49       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12  9:15         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-13 14:02           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12 15:15   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-12 19:59     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 4/6] memcg: Add __GFP_TRYLOCK support Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 23:47   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 5/6] mm, bpf: Use __GFP_ACCOUNT in try_alloc_pages() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 12:05   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  2:54     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 6/6] bpf: Use try_alloc_pages() to allocate pages for bpf needs Alexei Starovoitov

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