From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Hou Tao <houtao1@huawei.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
shakeel.butt@linux.dev, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/6] mm, bpf: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK for opportunistic page allocation
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:09:50 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241213150950.2879b7db@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQ+R3ABHX2sdiTqjgZDgn0==cA3gryx9h_uDktU6P2s2aw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:44:26 -0800
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > But this is not the case. I'm not sure what would happen here, but it is
> > definitely out of scope of the requirements of the PI logic and thus,
> > trylock must also not be used in hard interrupt context.
>
> If hard-irq acquired rt_mutex B (spin_lock or spin_trylock doesn't
> change the above analysis), the task won't schedule
> and it has to release this rt_mutex B before reenabling irq.
> The irqrestore without releasing the lock is a bug regardless.
>
> What's the concern then? That PI may see an odd order of locks for this task ?
> but it cannot do anything about it anyway, since the task won't schedule.
> And before irq handler is over the B will be released and everything
> will look normal again.
The problem is the chain walk. It could also cause unwanted side effects in RT.
If low priority task 1 has lock A and is running on another CPU and low
priority task 2 blocks on lock A and then is interrupted right before going
to sleep as being "blocked on", and takes lock B in the interrupt context.
We then have high priority task 3 on another CPU block on B which will then
see that the owner of B is blocked (even though it is not blocked for B), it
will boost its priority as well as the owner of the lock (A). The A owner
will get boosted where it is not the task that is blocking the high
priority task.
My point is that RT is all about deterministic behavior. It would require
a pretty substantial audit to the PI logic to make sure that this doesn't
cause any unexpected results.
My point is, the PI logic was not designed for taking a lock after being
blocked on another lock. It may work, but we had better prove and show all
side effects that can happen in these cases.
-- Steve
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-10 2:39 [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/6] bpf, mm: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/6] mm, bpf: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK for opportunistic page allocation Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 5:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-10 9:05 ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-10 20:25 ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 10:08 ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-10 22:06 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:19 ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-12 15:07 ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-12 15:21 ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-12 15:35 ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-12 15:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-12 16:00 ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-13 17:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-13 18:44 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-13 18:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-13 20:09 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2024-12-13 21:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-13 22:02 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 21:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 21:42 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 9:01 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-10 21:53 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 8:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12 2:14 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 8:54 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10 18:39 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10 22:42 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 8:48 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10 2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/6] mm, bpf: Introduce free_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 8:35 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-10 22:49 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 14:44 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-12 19:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:11 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12 1:43 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce local_trylock_irqsave() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:53 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-11 11:55 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12 2:49 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 9:15 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-13 14:02 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12 15:15 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-12 19:59 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 4/6] memcg: Add __GFP_TRYLOCK support Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 23:47 ` kernel test robot
2024-12-10 2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 5/6] mm, bpf: Use __GFP_ACCOUNT in try_alloc_pages() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 12:05 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12 2:54 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 6/6] bpf: Use try_alloc_pages() to allocate pages for bpf needs Alexei Starovoitov
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