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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
Cc: Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	nikunj@amd.com, willy@infradead.org, vbabka@suse.cz,
	david@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, yuzhao@google.com,
	axboe@kernel.dk, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org,
	jack@suse.cz, joshdon@google.com, clm@meta.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/1] Large folios in block buffered IO path
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:02:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241127120235.ejpvpks3fosbzbkr@quack3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGudoHEvrML100XBTT=sBDud5L2zeQ3ja5BmBCL2TTYYoEC55A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed 27-11-24 07:19:59, Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 7:13 AM Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Recently we discussed the scalability issues while running large
> > > instances of FIO with buffered IO option on NVME block devices here:
> > >
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/d2841226-e27b-4d3d-a578-63587a3aa4f3@amd.com/
> > >
> > > One of the suggestions Chris Mason gave (during private discussions) was
> > > to enable large folios in block buffered IO path as that could
> > > improve the scalability problems and improve the lock contention
> > > scenarios.
> > >
> >
> > I have no basis to comment on the idea.
> >
> > However, it is pretty apparent whatever the situation it is being
> > heavily disfigured by lock contention in blkdev_llseek:
> >
> > > perf-lock contention output
> > > ---------------------------
> > > The lock contention data doesn't look all that conclusive but for 30% rwmixwrite
> > > mix it looks like this:
> > >
> > > perf-lock contention default
> > >  contended   total wait     max wait     avg wait         type   caller
> > >
> > > 1337359017     64.69 h     769.04 us    174.14 us     spinlock   rwsem_wake.isra.0+0x42
> > >                         0xffffffff903f60a3  native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath+0x1f3
> > >                         0xffffffff903f537c  _raw_spin_lock_irqsave+0x5c
> > >                         0xffffffff8f39e7d2  rwsem_wake.isra.0+0x42
> > >                         0xffffffff8f39e88f  up_write+0x4f
> > >                         0xffffffff8f9d598e  blkdev_llseek+0x4e
> > >                         0xffffffff8f703322  ksys_lseek+0x72
> > >                         0xffffffff8f7033a8  __x64_sys_lseek+0x18
> > >                         0xffffffff8f20b983  x64_sys_call+0x1fb3
> > >    2665573     64.38 h       1.98 s      86.95 ms      rwsem:W   blkdev_llseek+0x31
> > >                         0xffffffff903f15bc  rwsem_down_write_slowpath+0x36c
> > >                         0xffffffff903f18fb  down_write+0x5b
> > >                         0xffffffff8f9d5971  blkdev_llseek+0x31
> > >                         0xffffffff8f703322  ksys_lseek+0x72
> > >                         0xffffffff8f7033a8  __x64_sys_lseek+0x18
> > >                         0xffffffff8f20b983  x64_sys_call+0x1fb3
> > >                         0xffffffff903dce5e  do_syscall_64+0x7e
> > >                         0xffffffff9040012b  entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x76
> >
> > Admittedly I'm not familiar with this code, but at a quick glance the
> > lock can be just straight up removed here?
> >
> >   534 static loff_t blkdev_llseek(struct file *file, loff_t offset, int whence)
> >   535 {
> >   536 │       struct inode *bd_inode = bdev_file_inode(file);
> >   537 │       loff_t retval;
> >   538 │
> >   539 │       inode_lock(bd_inode);
> >   540 │       retval = fixed_size_llseek(file, offset, whence,
> > i_size_read(bd_inode));
> >   541 │       inode_unlock(bd_inode);
> >   542 │       return retval;
> >   543 }
> >
> > At best it stabilizes the size for the duration of the call. Sounds
> > like it helps nothing since if the size can change, the file offset
> > will still be altered as if there was no locking?
> >
> > Suppose this cannot be avoided to grab the size for whatever reason.
> >
> > While the above fio invocation did not work for me, I ran some crapper
> > which I had in my shell history and according to strace:
> > [pid 271829] lseek(7, 0, SEEK_SET)      = 0
> > [pid 271829] lseek(7, 0, SEEK_SET)      = 0
> > [pid 271830] lseek(7, 0, SEEK_SET)      = 0
> >
> > ... the lseeks just rewind to the beginning, *definitely* not needing
> > to know the size. One would have to check but this is most likely the
> > case in your test as well.
> >
> > And for that there is 0 need to grab the size, and consequently the inode lock.
> 
> That is to say bare minimum this needs to be benchmarked before/after
> with the lock removed from the picture, like so:

Yeah, I've noticed this in the locking profiles as well and I agree
bd_inode locking seems unnecessary here. Even some filesystems (e.g. ext4)
get away without using inode lock in their llseek handler...

								Honza

> diff --git a/block/fops.c b/block/fops.c
> index 2d01c9007681..7f9e9e2f9081 100644
> --- a/block/fops.c
> +++ b/block/fops.c
> @@ -534,12 +534,8 @@ const struct address_space_operations def_blk_aops = {
>  static loff_t blkdev_llseek(struct file *file, loff_t offset, int whence)
>  {
>         struct inode *bd_inode = bdev_file_inode(file);
> -       loff_t retval;
> 
> -       inode_lock(bd_inode);
> -       retval = fixed_size_llseek(file, offset, whence, i_size_read(bd_inode));
> -       inode_unlock(bd_inode);
> -       return retval;
> +       return fixed_size_llseek(file, offset, whence, i_size_read(bd_inode));
>  }
> 
>  static int blkdev_fsync(struct file *filp, loff_t start, loff_t end,
> 
> To be aborted if it blows up (but I don't see why it would).
> 
> -- 
> Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik gmail.com>
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-27 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-27  5:47 Bharata B Rao
2024-11-27  5:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] block/ioctl: Add an ioctl to enable large folios for " Bharata B Rao
2024-11-27  6:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-27 10:37     ` Bharata B Rao
2024-11-28  5:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-27  6:13 ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] Large folios in " Mateusz Guzik
2024-11-27  6:19   ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-11-27 12:02     ` Jan Kara [this message]
2024-11-27 12:13       ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-28  5:40       ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-11-27 12:18     ` Bharata B Rao
2024-11-27 12:28       ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-11-28  4:01         ` Bharata B Rao
2024-11-28  4:22           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-28  4:37             ` Bharata B Rao
2024-11-28 11:23               ` Bharata B Rao
2024-11-28 23:31                 ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-11-29 10:32                   ` Bharata B Rao
2024-11-28  4:22           ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-11-28  4:31             ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-12-02  9:37               ` Bharata B Rao
2024-12-02 10:08                 ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-12-03  5:01                   ` Bharata B Rao
2024-11-28  4:43             ` Matthew Wilcox

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