From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] hp: Implement Hazard Pointers
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 12:40:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241007104030.GB4879@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <df28acef-cf35-49fc-8b40-bc105e3f818f@efficios.com>
On Sat, Oct 05, 2024 at 02:50:17PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> On 2024-10-05 18:04, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > +/*
> > > + * hp_allocate: Allocate a hazard pointer.
> > > + *
> > > + * Allocate a hazard pointer slot for @addr. The object existence should
> > > + * be guaranteed by the caller. Expects to be called from preempt
> > > + * disable context.
> > > + *
> > > + * Returns a hazard pointer context.
> >
> > So you made the WTF'o'meter crack, this here function does not allocate
> > nothing. Naming is bad. At best this is something like
> > try-set-hazard-pointer or somesuch.
>
> I went with the naming from the 2004 paper from Maged Michael, but I
> agree it could be clearer.
>
> I'm tempted to go for "hp_try_post()" and "hp_remove()", basically
> "posting" the intent to use a pointer (as in on a metaphorical billboard),
> and removing it when it's done.
For RCU we've taken to using the word: 'publish', no?
> > > +/*
> > > + * hp_dereference_allocate: Dereference and allocate a hazard pointer.
> > > + *
> > > + * Returns a hazard pointer context. Expects to be called from preempt
> > > + * disable context.
> > > + */
> >
> > More terrible naming. Same as above, but additionally, I would expect a
> > 'dereference' to actually dereference the pointer and have a return
> > value of the dereferenced type.
>
> hp_dereference_try_post() ?
>
> >
> > This function seems to double check and update the hp_ctx thing. I'm not
> > at all sure yet wtf this is doing -- and the total lack of comments
> > aren't helping.
>
> The hp_ctx contains the outputs.
>
> The function loads *addr_p to then try_post it into a HP slot. On success,
> it re-reads the *addr_p (with address dependency) and if it still matches,
> use that as output address pointer.
>
> I'm planning to remove hp_ctx, and just have:
>
> /*
> * hp_try_post: Try to post a hazard pointer.
> *
> * Post a hazard pointer slot for @addr. The object existence should
> * be guaranteed by the caller. Expects to be called from preempt
> * disable context.
> *
> * Returns true if post succeeds, false otherwise.
> */
> static inline
> bool hp_try_post(struct hp_domain *hp_domain, void *addr, struct hp_slot **_slot)
> [...]
>
> /*
> * hp_dereference_try_post: Dereference and try to post a hazard pointer.
> *
> * Returns a hazard pointer context. Expects to be called from preempt
> * disable context.
> */
> static inline
> void *__hp_dereference_try_post(struct hp_domain *hp_domain,
> void * const * addr_p, struct hp_slot **_slot)
> [...]
>
> #define hp_dereference_try_post(domain, p, slot_p) \
> ((__typeof__(*(p))) __hp_dereference_try_post(domain, (void * const *) p, slot_p))
This will compile, but do the wrong thing when p is a regular pointer, no?
>
> /* Clear the hazard pointer in @slot. */
> static inline
> void hp_remove(struct hp_slot *slot)
> [...]
Differently weird, but better I suppose :-)
> > > +void hp_scan(struct hp_slot __percpu *percpu_slots, void *addr,
> > > + void (*retire_cb)(int cpu, struct hp_slot *slot, void *addr))
> > > +{
> > > + int cpu;
> > > +
> > > + /*
> > > + * Store A precedes hp_scan(): it unpublishes addr (sets it to
> > > + * NULL or to a different value), and thus hides it from hazard
> > > + * pointer readers.
> > > + */
> > > +
> > > + if (!addr)
> > > + return;
> > > + /* Memory ordering: Store A before Load B. */
> > > + smp_mb();
> > > + /* Scan all CPUs slots. */
> > > + for_each_possible_cpu(cpu) {
> > > + struct hp_slot *slot = per_cpu_ptr(percpu_slots, cpu);
> > > +
> > > + if (retire_cb && smp_load_acquire(&slot->addr) == addr) /* Load B */
> > > + retire_cb(cpu, slot, addr);
> >
> > Is retirce_cb allowed to cmpxchg the thing?
>
> It could, but we'd need to make sure the slot is not re-used by another
> hp_try_post() before the current user removes its own post. It would
> need to synchronize with the current HP user (e.g. with IPI).
>
> I've actually renamed retire_cb to "on_match_cb".
Hmm, I think I see. Would it make sense to pass the expected addr to
hp_remove() and double check we don't NULL out something unexpected? --
maybe just for a DEBUG option.
I'm always seeing the NOHZ_FULL guys hating on this :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-07 10:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-04 18:27 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] sched+mm: Track lazy active mm existence with hazard pointers Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 18:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] compiler.h: Introduce ptr_eq() to preserve address dependency Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 18:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq() Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 21:15 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-10-06 19:52 ` David Laight
2024-10-06 20:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-07 11:01 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-04 18:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] hp: Implement Hazard Pointers Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 21:25 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-10-05 12:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-05 11:19 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-10-05 11:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-05 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-05 16:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-05 18:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 10:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-07 13:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-05 18:50 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 10:40 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-10-07 14:50 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-07 19:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-07 19:08 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 18:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] sched+mm: Use hazard pointers to track lazy active mm existence Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 14:50 ` kernel test robot
2024-10-07 15:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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