From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: 20240621164406.256314-1-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] x86: Make 5-level paging support unconditional for x86-64
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 13:11:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240731111147.GA33588@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wml16hye.ffs@tglx>
On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 11:15:05AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 31 2024 at 14:27, Shivank Garg wrote:
> > lmbench:lat_pagefault: Metric- page-fault time (us) - Lower is better
> > 4-Level PT 5-Level PT % Change
> > THP-never Mean:0.4068 Mean:0.4294 5.56
> > 95% CI:0.4057-0.4078 95% CI:0.4287-0.4302
> >
> > THP-Always Mean: 0.4061 Mean: 0.4288 % Change
> > 95% CI: 0.4051-0.4071 95% CI: 0.4281-0.4295 5.59
> >
> > Inference:
> > 5-level page table shows increase in page-fault latency but it does
> > not significantly impact other benchmarks.
>
> 5% regression on lmbench is a NONO.
>
> 5-level page tables add a cost in every hardware page table walk. That's
> a matter of fact and there is absolutely no reason to inflict this cost
> on everyone.
>
> The solution to this to make the 5-level mechanics smarter by evaluating
> whether the machine has enough memory to require 5-level tables and
> select the depth at boot time.
I gotta mention (again) that its a pain we can't mix and match like
s390. They default run their userspace on 4 level, even if the kernel
runs 5. Only silly daft userspace that needs more than insane amounts of
memory get 5 level.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-31 11:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-31 8:57 Shivank Garg
2024-07-31 9:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-07-31 11:11 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-07-31 11:36 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-07-31 11:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-31 17:45 ` Shivank Garg
2024-10-31 15:36 ` Dave Hansen
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