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From: Erhard Furtner <erhard_f@mailbox.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	"Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kswapd0: page allocation failure: order:0, mode:0x820(GFP_ATOMIC), nodemask=(null),cpuset=/,mems_allowed=0 (Kernel v6.5.9, 32bit ppc)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 15:28:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240606152802.28a38817@yea> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkai+e39hFDJkQRZ_Zg_Yp8OWx2uQfawT28ZZTD=Jvh9EQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 16:58:11 -0700
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 4:53 PM Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 5:42 PM Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:  
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 4:04 PM Erhard Furtner <erhard_f@mailbox.org> wrote:  
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:03:27 -0700
> > > > Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > > Could you check if the attached patch helps? It basically changes the
> > > > > number of zpools from 32 to min(32, nr_cpus).  
> > > >
> > > > Thanks! The patch does not fix the issue but it helps.
> > > >
> > > > Means I still get to see the 'kswapd0: page allocation failure' in the dmesg, a 'stress-ng-vm: page allocation failure' later on, another kswapd0 error later on, etc. _but_ the machine keeps running the workload, stays usable via VNC and I get no hard crash any longer.
> > > >
> > > > Without patch kswapd0 error and hard crash (need to power-cycle) <3min. With patch several kswapd0 errors but running for 2 hrs now. I double checked this to be sure.  
> > >
> > > Thanks for trying this out. This is interesting, so even two zpools is
> > > too much fragmentation for your use case.  
> >
> > Now I'm a little bit skeptical that the problem is due to fragmentation.
> >  
> > > I think there are multiple ways to go forward here:
> > > (a) Make the number of zpools a config option, leave the default as
> > > 32, but allow special use cases to set it to 1 or similar. This is
> > > probably not preferable because it is not clear to users how to set
> > > it, but the idea is that no one will have to set it except special use
> > > cases such as Erhard's (who will want to set it to 1 in this case).
> > >
> > > (b) Make the number of zpools scale linearly with the number of CPUs.
> > > Maybe something like nr_cpus/4 or nr_cpus/8. The problem with this
> > > approach is that with a large number of CPUs, too many zpools will
> > > start having diminishing returns. Fragmentation will keep increasing,
> > > while the scalability/concurrency gains will diminish.
> > >
> > > (c) Make the number of zpools scale logarithmically with the number of
> > > CPUs. Maybe something like 4log2(nr_cpus). This will keep the number
> > > of zpools from increasing too much and close to the status quo. The
> > > problem is that at a small number of CPUs (e.g. 2), 4log2(nr_cpus)
> > > will actually give a nr_zpools > nr_cpus. So we will need to come up
> > > with a more fancy magic equation (e.g. 4log2(nr_cpus/4)).
> > >
> > > (d) Make the number of zpools scale linearly with memory. This makes
> > > more sense than scaling with CPUs because increasing the number of
> > > zpools increases fragmentation, so it makes sense to limit it by the
> > > available memory. This is also more consistent with other magic
> > > numbers we have (e.g. SWAP_ADDRESS_SPACE_SHIFT).
> > >
> > > The problem is that unlike zswap trees, the zswap pool is not
> > > connected to the swapfile size, so we don't have an indication for how
> > > much memory will be in the zswap pool. We can scale the number of
> > > zpools with the entire memory on the machine during boot, but this
> > > seems like it would be difficult to figure out, and will not take into
> > > consideration memory hotplugging and the zswap global limit changing.
> > >
> > > (e) A creative mix of the above.
> > >
> > > (f) Something else (probably simpler).
> > >
> > > I am personally leaning toward (c), but I want to hear the opinions of
> > > other people here. Yu, Vlastimil, Johannes, Nhat? Anyone else?  
> >
> > I double checked that commit and didn't find anything wrong. If we are
> > all in the mood of getting to the bottom, can we try using only 1
> > zpool while there are 2 available? I.e.,  
> 
> Erhard, do you mind checking if Yu's diff below to use a single zpool
> fixes the problem completely? There is also an attached patch that
> does the same thing if this is easier to apply for you.

No, setting ZSWAP_NR_ZPOOLS to 1 does not fix the problem unfortunately (that being the only patch applied on v6.10-rc2).

Trying to alter the lowmem and virtual mem limits next as Michael suggested.

Regards,
Erhard


  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-06 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-08 18:21 Erhard Furtner
2024-05-15 20:45 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-05-15 22:06   ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-01  6:01     ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-01 15:37       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-06  3:11         ` Michael Ellerman
2024-06-06  3:38           ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-06 12:08             ` Michael Ellerman
2024-06-06 16:05               ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-02 18:03       ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-02 20:38         ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-02 21:36           ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-03 22:13         ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-03 23:24           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]             ` <20240604134458.3ae4396a@yea>
2024-06-04 16:11               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 17:18                 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-04 17:34                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 17:53                     ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-04 18:01                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 21:00                         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-04 21:10                         ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-05  3:03                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-05 23:04                             ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-05 23:41                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-05 23:52                                 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-05 23:58                                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06 13:28                                     ` Erhard Furtner [this message]
2024-06-06 16:42                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06  2:49                                 ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-06  4:31                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06  4:46                                     ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-06  5:43                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06  5:55                                         ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-07  9:40                                         ` Nhat Pham
2024-06-07 11:20                                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06  7:24                                 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-06 13:32                                   ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-06 16:53                                     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-06 17:14                                 ` Takero Funaki
2024-06-06 17:41                                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06 17:55                                     ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-06 18:03                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 22:17                   ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-04 20:52             ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-04 20:55               ` Yosry Ahmed

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