From: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
To: Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
Erhard Furtner <erhard_f@mailbox.org>,
Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
"Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kswapd0: page allocation failure: order:0, mode:0x820(GFP_ATOMIC), nodemask=(null),cpuset=/,mems_allowed=0 (Kernel v6.5.9, 32bit ppc)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:31:56 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240606043156.GC11718@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e68bcc6a-25b1-42aa-83b3-5d457b254cbe@linux.dev>
On (24/06/06 10:49), Chengming Zhou wrote:
> > Thanks for trying this out. This is interesting, so even two zpools is
> > too much fragmentation for your use case.
> >
> > I think there are multiple ways to go forward here:
> > (a) Make the number of zpools a config option, leave the default as
> > 32, but allow special use cases to set it to 1 or similar. This is
> > probably not preferable because it is not clear to users how to set
> > it, but the idea is that no one will have to set it except special use
> > cases such as Erhard's (who will want to set it to 1 in this case).
> >
> > (b) Make the number of zpools scale linearly with the number of CPUs.
> > Maybe something like nr_cpus/4 or nr_cpus/8. The problem with this
> > approach is that with a large number of CPUs, too many zpools will
> > start having diminishing returns. Fragmentation will keep increasing,
> > while the scalability/concurrency gains will diminish.
> >
> > (c) Make the number of zpools scale logarithmically with the number of
> > CPUs. Maybe something like 4log2(nr_cpus). This will keep the number
> > of zpools from increasing too much and close to the status quo. The
> > problem is that at a small number of CPUs (e.g. 2), 4log2(nr_cpus)
> > will actually give a nr_zpools > nr_cpus. So we will need to come up
> > with a more fancy magic equation (e.g. 4log2(nr_cpus/4)).
> >
> > (d) Make the number of zpools scale linearly with memory. This makes
> > more sense than scaling with CPUs because increasing the number of
> > zpools increases fragmentation, so it makes sense to limit it by the
> > available memory. This is also more consistent with other magic
> > numbers we have (e.g. SWAP_ADDRESS_SPACE_SHIFT).
> >
> > The problem is that unlike zswap trees, the zswap pool is not
> > connected to the swapfile size, so we don't have an indication for how
> > much memory will be in the zswap pool. We can scale the number of
> > zpools with the entire memory on the machine during boot, but this
> > seems like it would be difficult to figure out, and will not take into
> > consideration memory hotplugging and the zswap global limit changing.
> >
> > (e) A creative mix of the above.
> >
> > (f) Something else (probably simpler).
> >
> > I am personally leaning toward (c), but I want to hear the opinions of
> > other people here. Yu, Vlastimil, Johannes, Nhat? Anyone else?
> >
> > In the long-term, I think we may want to address the lock contention
> > in zsmalloc itself instead of zswap spawning multiple zpools.
Sorry, I'm sure I'm not following this discussion closely enough,
has the lock contention been demonstrated/proved somehow? lock-stats?
> Agree, I think we should try to improve locking scalability of zsmalloc.
> I have some thoughts to share, no code or test data yet:
>
> 1. First, we can change the pool global lock to per-class lock, which
> is more fine-grained.
Commit c0547d0b6a4b6 "zsmalloc: consolidate zs_pool's migrate_lock
and size_class's locks" [1] claimed no significant difference
between class->lock and pool->lock.
[1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20221128191616.1261026-4-nphamcs@gmail.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-06 4:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-08 18:21 Erhard Furtner
2024-05-15 20:45 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-05-15 22:06 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-01 6:01 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-01 15:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-06 3:11 ` Michael Ellerman
2024-06-06 3:38 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-06 12:08 ` Michael Ellerman
2024-06-06 16:05 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-02 18:03 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-02 20:38 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-02 21:36 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-03 22:13 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-03 23:24 ` Yosry Ahmed
[not found] ` <20240604134458.3ae4396a@yea>
2024-06-04 16:11 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 17:18 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-04 17:34 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 17:53 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-04 18:01 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 21:00 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-04 21:10 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-05 3:03 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-05 23:04 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-05 23:41 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-05 23:52 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-05 23:58 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06 13:28 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-06 16:42 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06 2:49 ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-06 4:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2024-06-06 4:46 ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-06 5:43 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06 5:55 ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-07 9:40 ` Nhat Pham
2024-06-07 11:20 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06 7:24 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-06 13:32 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-06 16:53 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-06 17:14 ` Takero Funaki
2024-06-06 17:41 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06 17:55 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-06 18:03 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 22:17 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-04 20:52 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-04 20:55 ` Yosry Ahmed
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