From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, alim.akhtar@samsung.com,
alyssa@rosenzweig.io, asahi@lists.linux.dev,
baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, bhelgaas@google.com,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, david@redhat.com,
dwmw2@infradead.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, heiko@sntech.de,
iommu@lists.linux.dev, jernej.skrabec@gmail.com,
jonathanh@nvidia.com, joro@8bytes.org,
krzysztof.kozlowski@linaro.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org,
linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev,
linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, lizefan.x@bytedance.com,
marcan@marcan.st, mhiramat@kernel.org, m.szyprowski@samsung.com,
paulmck@kernel.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, robin.murphy@arm.com,
samuel@sholland.org, suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com,
sven@svenpeter.dev, thierry.reding@gmail.com, tj@kernel.org,
tomas.mudrunka@gmail.com, vdumpa@nvidia.com, wens@csie.org,
yu-cheng.yu@intel.com, rientjes@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 10/10] iommu: account IOMMU allocated memory
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 13:29:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240221132919.GC7273@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bDURTkZFo9uE9Bgfrz-NwgXqo4SAzLOW6Jb35M+eqUEaA@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 02:48:00PM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:58 PM Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:44:53AM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> > > > > SecPageTables
> > > > > - Memory consumed by secondary page tables, this currently
> > > > > - currently includes KVM mmu allocations on x86 and arm64.
> > > > > + Memory consumed by secondary page tables, this currently includes
> > > > > + KVM mmu and IOMMU allocations on x86 and arm64.
> > >
> > > Hi Will,
> > >
> > > > While I can see the value in this for IOMMU mappings managed by VFIO,
> > > > doesn't this end up conflating that with the normal case of DMA domains?
> > > > For systems that e.g. rely on an IOMMU for functional host DMA, it seems
> > > > wrong to subject that to accounting constraints.
> > >
> > > The accounting constraints are only applicable when GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT
> > > is passed to the iommu mapping functions. We do that from the vfio,
> > > iommufd, and vhost. Without this flag, the memory useage is reported
> > > in /proc/meminfo as part of SecPageTables field, but not constrained
> > > in cgroup.
> >
> > Thanks, Pasha, that explanation makes sense. I still find it bizarre to
> > include IOMMU allocations from the DMA API in SecPageTables though, and
> > I worry that it will confuse people who are using that metric as a way
> > to get a feeling for how much memory is being used by KVM's secondary
> > page-tables. As an extreme example, having a non-zero SecPageTables count
> > without KVM even compiled in is pretty bizarre.
>
> I agree; I also prefer a new field in /proc/meminfo named
> 'IOMMUPageTables'. This is what I proposed at LPC, but I was asked to
> reuse the existing 'SecPageTables' field instead. The rationale was
> that 'secondary' implies not only KVM page tables, but any other
> non-regular page tables.
>
> I would appreciate the opinion of IOMMU maintainers on this: is it
> preferable to bundle the information with 'SecPageTables' or maintain
> a separate field?
I personally find it confusing to add all IOMMU page-table allocations
to SecPageTables, considering that userspace could be using that today
with a reasonable expectation that it's concerned only with virtual
machine overhead. However, if the opposite conclusion was reached at LPC,
then I really don't want to re-open the discussion and derail your
patchset.
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-02-21 13:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-12-26 20:01 [PATCH v3 00/10] IOMMU memory observability Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:01 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] iommu/vt-d: add wrapper functions for page allocations Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-27 0:27 ` David Rientjes
2023-12-26 20:01 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] iommu/amd: use page allocation function provided by iommu-pages.h Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:01 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:01 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] iommu/io-pgtable-dart: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:02 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] iommu/exynos: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:02 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] iommu/rockchip: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:02 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] iommu/sun50i: " Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:02 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] iommu/tegra-smmu: " Pasha Tatashin
2024-01-05 8:20 ` Thierry Reding
2023-12-26 20:02 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] iommu: observability of the IOMMU allocations Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-26 20:02 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] iommu: account IOMMU allocated memory Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-27 0:25 ` David Rientjes
2024-02-13 13:12 ` Will Deacon
2024-02-13 15:44 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-02-16 17:57 ` Will Deacon
2024-02-16 19:48 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-02-21 13:29 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2024-02-22 0:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-02-22 0:27 ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-12-27 10:05 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] IOMMU memory observability Bagas Sanjaya
2023-12-28 14:36 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-01-04 15:31 ` Michal Koutný
2024-01-04 16:29 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-01-04 17:04 ` Michal Koutný
2024-01-04 19:12 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-01-05 9:02 ` Michal Koutný
2024-01-05 15:33 ` Pasha Tatashin
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20240221132919.GC7273@willie-the-truck \
--to=will@kernel.org \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=alim.akhtar@samsung.com \
--cc=alyssa@rosenzweig.io \
--cc=asahi@lists.linux.dev \
--cc=baolu.lu@linux.intel.com \
--cc=bhelgaas@google.com \
--cc=cgroups@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=corbet@lwn.net \
--cc=david@redhat.com \
--cc=dwmw2@infradead.org \
--cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
--cc=heiko@sntech.de \
--cc=iommu@lists.linux.dev \
--cc=jernej.skrabec@gmail.com \
--cc=jonathanh@nvidia.com \
--cc=joro@8bytes.org \
--cc=krzysztof.kozlowski@linaro.org \
--cc=linux-doc@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org \
--cc=linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev \
--cc=linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=lizefan.x@bytedance.com \
--cc=m.szyprowski@samsung.com \
--cc=marcan@marcan.st \
--cc=mhiramat@kernel.org \
--cc=pasha.tatashin@soleen.com \
--cc=paulmck@kernel.org \
--cc=rdunlap@infradead.org \
--cc=rientjes@google.com \
--cc=robin.murphy@arm.com \
--cc=samuel@sholland.org \
--cc=suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com \
--cc=sven@svenpeter.dev \
--cc=thierry.reding@gmail.com \
--cc=tj@kernel.org \
--cc=tomas.mudrunka@gmail.com \
--cc=vdumpa@nvidia.com \
--cc=wens@csie.org \
--cc=yu-cheng.yu@intel.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox