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From: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Eddy Z <eddyz87@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Barret Rhoden <brho@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 bpf-next 17/20] selftests/bpf: Add unit tests for bpf_arena_alloc/free_pages
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:48:39 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240212164839.GB2192269@maniforge.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJsdbUuvkp67_z5xprA+UP=O9rTcwm3xRkpqSArrGqNaA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 08:35:01PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 3:14 PM David Vernet <void@manifault.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +
> > > +#ifndef arena_container_of
> >
> > Why is this ifndef required if we have a pragma once above?
> 
> Just a habit to check for a macro before defining it.
> 
> > Obviously it's way better for us to actually have arenas in the interim
> > so this is fine for now, but UAF bugs could potentially be pretty
> > painful until we get proper exception unwinding support.
> 
> Detection that arena access faulted doesn't have to come after
> exception unwinding. Exceptions vs cancellable progs are also different.
> A record of the line in bpf prog that caused the first fault is probably
> good enough for prog debugging.
> 
> > Otherwise, in terms of usability, this looks really good. The only thing
> > to bear in mind is that I don't think we can fully get away from kptrs
> > that will have some duplicated logic compared to what we can enable in
> > an arena. For example, we will have to retain at least some of the
> > struct cpumask * kptrs for e.g. copying a struct task_struct's struct
> > cpumask *cpus_ptr field.
> 
> I think that's a bit orthogonal.
> task->cpus_ptr is a trusted_ptr_to_btf_id access that can be mixed
> within a program with arena access.

I see, so the idea is that we'd just use regular accesses to query the
bits in that cpumask rather than kfuncs? Similar to how we e.g. read a
task field such as p->comm with a regular load? Ok, that should work.

> > For now, we could iterate over the cpumask and manually set the bits, so
> > maybe even just supporting bpf_cpumask_test_cpu() would be enough
> > (though donig a bitmap_copy() would be better of course)? This is
> > probably fine for most use cases as we'd likely only be doing struct
> > cpumask * -> arena copies on slowpaths. But is there any kind of more
> > generalized integration we want to have between arenas and kptrs?  Not
> > sure, can't think of any off the top of my head.
> 
> Hopefully we'll be able to invent a way to store kptr-s inside the arena,
> but from a cpumask perspective bpf_cpumask_test_cpu() can be made
> polymorphic to work with arena ptrs and kptrs.
> Same with bpf_cpumask_and(). Mixed arguments can be allowed.
> Args can be either kptr or ptr_to_arena.

This would be ideal. And to make sure I understand, many of these
wouldn't even be kfuncs, right? We'd just be doing loads on two
safe/trusted objects that were both pointers to a bitmap of size
NR_CPUS?

> I still believe that we can deprecate 'struct bpf_cpumask'.
> The cpumask_t will stay, of course, but we won't need to
> bpf_obj_new(bpf_cpumask) and carefully track refcnt.
> The arena can do the same much faster.

Yes, I agree. Any use of struct bpf_cpumask * can just be stored in an
arena, and any kfuncs where we were previously passing a struct
bpf_cpumask * could instead just take an arena cpumask, or be done
entirely using BPF instructions per your point above.

> > > +             return 7;
> > > +     page3 = bpf_arena_alloc_pages(&arena, NULL, 1, NUMA_NO_NODE, 0);
> > > +     if (!page3)
> > > +             return 8;
> > > +     *page3 = 3;
> > > +     if (page2 != page3)
> > > +             return 9;
> > > +     if (*page1 != 1)
> > > +             return 10;
> >
> > Should we also test doing a store after an arena has been freed?
> 
> You mean the whole bpf arena map was freed ?
> I don't see how the verifier would allow that.
> If you meant a few pages were freed from the arena then such a test is
> already in the patches.

I meant a negative test that verifies we fail to load a prog that does a
write to a freed arena pointer.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-12 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-09  4:05 [PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/20] bpf: Introduce BPF arena Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 01/20] bpf: Allow kfuncs return 'void *' Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-10  6:49   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 02/20] bpf: Recognize '__map' suffix in kfunc arguments Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 03/20] bpf: Plumb get_unmapped_area() callback into bpf_map_ops Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 04/20] mm: Expose vmap_pages_range() to the rest of the kernel Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14  8:36   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-14 20:53     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-15  6:58       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-15 20:50         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-15 21:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-16  9:31           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-16 16:54             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-16 17:18               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-02-18  2:06                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-20  6:57               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 05/20] bpf: Introduce bpf_arena Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 20:36   ` David Vernet
2024-02-10  4:38     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-12 15:56   ` Barret Rhoden
2024-02-12 18:23     ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]   ` <CAP01T75y-E8qjMpn_9E-k8H0QpPdjvYx9MMgx6cxGfmdVat+Xw@mail.gmail.com>
2024-02-12 18:21     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13 23:14   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-13 23:29     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14  0:03       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-14  0:14         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 06/20] bpf: Disasm support for cast_kern/user instructions Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 07/20] bpf: Add x86-64 JIT support for PROBE_MEM32 pseudo instructions Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 17:20   ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13 22:20     ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]   ` <CAP01T75sq=G5pfYvsYuxfdoFGOqSGrNcamCyA0posFA9pxNWRA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-02-13 22:00     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 08/20] bpf: Add x86-64 JIT support for bpf_cast_user instruction Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-10  1:15   ` Eduard Zingerman
     [not found]   ` <CAP01T76JMbnS3PSpontzWmtSZ9cs97yO772R8zpWH-eHXviLSA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-02-13 22:28     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 09/20] bpf: Recognize cast_kern/user instructions in the verifier Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-10  1:13   ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13  2:58     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13 12:01       ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 10/20] bpf: Recognize btf_decl_tag("arg:arena") as PTR_TO_ARENA Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13 23:14   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-14  0:26     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 11/20] libbpf: Add __arg_arena to bpf_helpers.h Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13 23:14   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 12/20] libbpf: Add support for bpf_arena Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-12 18:12   ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-12 20:14     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-12 20:21       ` Eduard Zingerman
     [not found]   ` <CAP01T761B1+paMwrQesjX+zqFwQp8iUzLORueTjTLSHPbJ+0fQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-02-12 19:11     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-13 23:15   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-14  0:32     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 13/20] libbpf: Allow specifying 64-bit integers in map BTF Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-12 18:58   ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13 23:15   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-14  0:47     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14  0:51       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 14/20] libbpf: Recognize __arena global varaibles Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13  0:34   ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13  0:44     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13  0:49       ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13  2:08         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13 12:48           ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13 23:11   ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13 23:17     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-13 23:36       ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-14  0:09         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-14  0:16           ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-14  0:29             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-14  1:24           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14 17:24             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-15 23:22               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-16  2:45                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-16  4:51                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-14  1:02     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14 15:10       ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-13 23:15   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 15/20] bpf: Tell bpf programs kernel's PAGE_SIZE Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 16/20] bpf: Add helper macro bpf_arena_cast() Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]   ` <CAP01T743Mzfi9+2yMjB5+m2jpBLvij_tLyLFptkOpCekUn=soA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-02-13 22:35     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14 16:47       ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-14 17:45         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 17/20] selftests/bpf: Add unit tests for bpf_arena_alloc/free_pages Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 23:14   ` David Vernet
2024-02-10  4:35     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-12 16:48       ` David Vernet [this message]
     [not found]       ` <CAP01T75qCUabu4-18nYwRDnSyTTgeAgNN3kePY5PXdnoTKt+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
2024-02-13 23:19         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 18/20] selftests/bpf: Add bpf_arena_list test Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 19/20] selftests/bpf: Add bpf_arena_htab test Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09  4:06 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 20/20] selftests/bpf: Convert simple page_frag allocator to per-cpu Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]   ` <CAP01T74x-N71rbS+jZ2z+3MPMe5WDeWKV_gWJmDCikV0YOpPFQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-02-14  1:37     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-12 14:14 ` [PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/20] bpf: Introduce BPF arena David Hildenbrand
2024-02-12 18:14   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13 10:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-12 17:36 ` Barret Rhoden

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