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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Vasily Averin <vasily.averin@linux.dev>,
	Michal Koutny <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/4] fs/locks: Fix file lock cache accounting, again
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:39:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240117193915.urwueineol7p4hg7@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6667b799702e1815bd4e4f7744eddbc0bd042bb7.camel@kernel.org>

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 02:00:55PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote:
> I'm really not a fan of tunables or different kconfig options,
> especially for something niche like this.
> 
> I also question whether this accounting will show up under any real-
> world workloads, and whether it was just wrong to revert those patches
> back in 2021.
> 
> File locking is an activity where we inherently expect to block. Ideally
> we don't if the lock is uncontended of course, but it's always a
> possibility.
> 
> The benchmark that prompted the regression basically just tries to
> create and release a bunch of file locks as quickly as possible.
> Legitimate applications that do a lot of very rapid locking like this
> benchmark are basically non-existent. Usually the pattern is:
> 
>     acquire lock
>     do some (relatively slow) I/O
>     release lock
> 
> In that sort of scenario, is this memcg accounting more than just line
> noise? I wonder whether we should just bite the bullet and see whether
> there are any real workloads that suffer due to SLAB_ACCOUNT being
> enabled on these caches?

That's a good point.  If the microbenchmark isn't likely to be even
remotely realistic, maybe we should just revert the revert until if/when
somebody shows a real world impact.

Linus, any objections to that?

-- 
Josh


  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-17 19:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-17 16:14 [PATCH RFC 0/4] " Josh Poimboeuf
2024-01-17 16:14 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] fs/locks: " Josh Poimboeuf
2024-01-17 19:00   ` Jeff Layton
2024-01-17 19:39     ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2024-01-17 20:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-17 21:02         ` Shakeel Butt
2024-01-17 22:20           ` Roman Gushchin
2024-01-17 22:56             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-01-22  5:10               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-22 17:38                 ` Shakeel Butt
2024-01-26  9:50                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-01-30 11:04                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-01-19  7:47             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-01-17 21:19         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-01-17 21:50         ` Roman Gushchin
2024-01-18  9:49     ` Michal Hocko
2024-01-17 16:14 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] fs/locks: Add CONFIG_FLOCK_ACCOUNTING Josh Poimboeuf
2024-01-17 16:14 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] mitigations: Expand 'mitigations=off' to include optional software mitigations Josh Poimboeuf
     [not found] ` <3e803d5aee5dd1f4c738f0de1e839e6cfcb9dc41.1705507931.git.jpoimboe@kernel.org>
2024-01-18  9:04   ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] mitigations: Add flock cache accounting to 'mitigations=off' Michal Koutný

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