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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Removing GFP_NOFS
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:57:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240105105736.24jep6q6cd7vsnmz@quack3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZZcgXI46AinlcBDP@casper.infradead.org>

Hello,

On Thu 04-01-24 21:17:16, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> This is primarily a _FILESYSTEM_ track topic.  All the work has already
> been done on the MM side; the FS people need to do their part.  It could
> be a joint session, but I'm not sure there's much for the MM people
> to say.
> 
> There are situations where we need to allocate memory, but cannot call
> into the filesystem to free memory.  Generally this is because we're
> holding a lock or we've started a transaction, and attempting to write
> out dirty folios to reclaim memory would result in a deadlock.
> 
> The old way to solve this problem is to specify GFP_NOFS when allocating
> memory.  This conveys little information about what is being protected
> against, and so it is hard to know when it might be safe to remove.
> It's also a reflex -- many filesystem authors use GFP_NOFS by default
> even when they could use GFP_KERNEL because there's no risk of deadlock.
> 
> The new way is to use the scoped APIs -- memalloc_nofs_save() and
> memalloc_nofs_restore().  These should be called when we start a
> transaction or take a lock that would cause a GFP_KERNEL allocation to
> deadlock.  Then just use GFP_KERNEL as normal.  The memory allocators
> can see the nofs situation is in effect and will not call back into
> the filesystem.
> 
> This results in better code within your filesystem as you don't need to
> pass around gfp flags as much, and can lead to better performance from
> the memory allocators as GFP_NOFS will not be used unnecessarily.
> 
> The memalloc_nofs APIs were introduced in May 2017, but we still have
> over 1000 uses of GFP_NOFS in fs/ today (and 200 outside fs/, which is
> really sad).  This session is for filesystem developers to talk about
> what they need to do to fix up their own filesystem, or share stories
> about how they made their filesystem better by adopting the new APIs.

I agree this is a worthy goal and the scoped API helped us a lot in the
ext4/jbd2 land. Still we have some legacy to deal with:

~> git grep "NOFS" fs/jbd2/ | wc -l
15
~> git grep "NOFS" fs/ext4/ | wc -l
71

When you are asking about what would help filesystems with the conversion I
actually have one wish. The most common case is that you need to annotate
some lock that can be grabbed in the reclaim path and thus you must avoid
GFP_FS allocations from under it. For example to deal with reclaim
deadlocks in the writeback paths we had to introduce wrappers like:

static inline int ext4_writepages_down_read(struct super_block *sb)
{
        percpu_down_read(&EXT4_SB(sb)->s_writepages_rwsem);
        return memalloc_nofs_save();
}

static inline void ext4_writepages_up_read(struct super_block *sb, int ctx)
{
        memalloc_nofs_restore(ctx);
        percpu_up_read(&EXT4_SB(sb)->s_writepages_rwsem);
}

When you have to do it for 5 locks in your filesystem it gets a bit ugly
and it would be nice to have some generic way to deal with this. We already
have the spin_lock_irqsave() precedent we might follow (and I don't
necessarily mean the calling convention which is a bit weird for today's
standards)?

Even more lovely would be if we could actually avoid passing around the
returned reclaim state because sometimes the locks get acquired / released
in different functions and passing the state around requires quite some
changes and gets ugly. That would mean we'd have to have
fs-reclaim-forbidden counter instead of just a flag in task_struct. OTOH
then we could just mark the lock (mutex / rwsem / whatever) as
fs-reclaim-unsafe during init and the rest would just magically happen.
That would be super-easy to use.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-05 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-04 21:17 Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-05 10:13 ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2024-01-05 10:26   ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2024-01-05 14:17     ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2024-01-05 14:35   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-01-05 10:57 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2024-01-08 11:47   ` [Lsf-pc] " Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-08 17:39     ` David Sterba
2024-01-09  7:43       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-09 22:23         ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09 15:47     ` Luis Henriques
2024-01-09 18:04       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-08  6:39 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09  4:47 ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-08 16:02   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-02-08 17:33     ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-08 19:55       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-02-08 22:45         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12  1:20         ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-12  2:06           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12  4:35             ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-12 19:30               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12 22:07                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09 22:44 ` Dave Chinner

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