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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Viacheslav Dubeyko <slava@dubeyko.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Removing GFP_NOFS
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:26:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240105102657.fwy7uxudqdoyogd5@quack3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2EEB5F76-1D68-4B17-82B6-4A459D91E4BF@dubeyko.com>

On Fri 05-01-24 13:13:11, Viacheslav Dubeyko wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > This is primarily a _FILESYSTEM_ track topic.  All the work has already
> > been done on the MM side; the FS people need to do their part.  It could
> > be a joint session, but I'm not sure there's much for the MM people
> > to say.
> > 
> > There are situations where we need to allocate memory, but cannot call
> > into the filesystem to free memory.  Generally this is because we're
> > holding a lock or we've started a transaction, and attempting to write
> > out dirty folios to reclaim memory would result in a deadlock.
> > 
> > The old way to solve this problem is to specify GFP_NOFS when allocating
> > memory.  This conveys little information about what is being protected
> > against, and so it is hard to know when it might be safe to remove.
> > It's also a reflex -- many filesystem authors use GFP_NOFS by default
> > even when they could use GFP_KERNEL because there's no risk of deadlock.
> > 
> > The new way is to use the scoped APIs -- memalloc_nofs_save() and
> > memalloc_nofs_restore().  These should be called when we start a
> > transaction or take a lock that would cause a GFP_KERNEL allocation to
> > deadlock.  Then just use GFP_KERNEL as normal.  The memory allocators
> > can see the nofs situation is in effect and will not call back into
> > the filesystem.
> > 
> > This results in better code within your filesystem as you don't need to
> > pass around gfp flags as much, and can lead to better performance from
> > the memory allocators as GFP_NOFS will not be used unnecessarily.
> > 
> > The memalloc_nofs APIs were introduced in May 2017, but we still have
> > over 1000 uses of GFP_NOFS in fs/ today (and 200 outside fs/, which is
> > really sad).  This session is for filesystem developers to talk about
> > what they need to do to fix up their own filesystem, or share stories
> > about how they made their filesystem better by adopting the new APIs.
> > 
> 
> Many file systems are still heavily using GFP_NOFS for kmalloc and
> kmem_cache_alloc family methods even if  memalloc_nofs_save() and
> memalloc_nofs_restore() pair is used too. But I can see that GFP_NOFS
> is used in radix_tree_preload(), bio_alloc(), posix_acl_clone(),
> sb_issue_zeroout, sb_issue_discard(), alloc_inode_sb(), blkdev_issue_zeroout(),
> blkdev_issue_secure_erase(), blkdev_zone_mgmt(), etc.

Given the nature of the scoped API, the transition has to start in the
leaves (i.e. filesystems itself) and only once all users of say
radix_tree_preload() are converted to the scoped API, we can remove the
GFP_NOFS use from radix_tree_preload() itself. So Matthew is right that we
need to start in the filesystems.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR


  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-05 10:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-04 21:17 Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-05 10:13 ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2024-01-05 10:26   ` Jan Kara [this message]
2024-01-05 14:17     ` [Lsf-pc] " Viacheslav Dubeyko
2024-01-05 14:35   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-01-05 10:57 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2024-01-08 11:47   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-08 17:39     ` David Sterba
2024-01-09  7:43       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-09 22:23         ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09 15:47     ` Luis Henriques
2024-01-09 18:04       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2024-01-08  6:39 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09  4:47 ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-08 16:02   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-02-08 17:33     ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-08 19:55       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-02-08 22:45         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12  1:20         ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-12  2:06           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12  4:35             ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-12 19:30               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12 22:07                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-01-09 22:44 ` Dave Chinner

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