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From: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@Oracle.com>
To: Peng Zhang <zhangpeng.00@bytedance.com>
Cc: avagin@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com,
	mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	michael.christie@oracle.com, surenb@google.com,
	brauner@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, corbet@lwn.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/11] maple_tree: Introduce mas_replace_entry() to directly replace an entry
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:15:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230818161551.z25u7txhsvlq6juh@revolver> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51cc7e0c-2fb3-1c40-4cd2-bad15737d616@bytedance.com>

* Peng Zhang <zhangpeng.00@bytedance.com> [230818 05:40]:
> 
> 
> 在 2023/8/17 01:40, Liam R. Howlett 写道:
> > * Peng Zhang <zhangpeng.00@bytedance.com> [230816 09:11]:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 在 2023/8/1 00:48, Liam R. Howlett 写道:
> > > > * Peng Zhang <zhangpeng.00@bytedance.com> [230731 08:39]:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 在 2023/7/27 00:08, Liam R. Howlett 写道:
> > > > > > * Peng Zhang <zhangpeng.00@bytedance.com> [230726 04:10]:
> > > > > > > If mas has located a specific entry, it may be need to replace this
> > > > > > > entry, so introduce mas_replace_entry() to do this. mas_replace_entry()
> > > > > > > will be more efficient than mas_store*() because it doesn't do many
> > > > > > > unnecessary checks.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This function should be inline, but more functions need to be moved to
> > > > > > > the header file, so I didn't do it for the time being.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am really nervous having no checks here.  I get that this could be
> > > > > > used for duplicating the tree more efficiently, but having a function
> > > > > > that just swaps a value in is very dangerous - especially since it is
> > > > > > decoupled from the tree duplication code.
> > > > > I've thought about this, and I feel like this is something the user
> > > > > should be guaranteed. If the user is not sure whether to use it,
> > > > > mas_store() can be used instead.
> > > > 
> > > > Documentation often isn't up to date and even more rarely read.
> > > > mas_replace_entry() does not give a hint of a requirement for a specific
> > > > state to the mas.  This is not acceptable.
> > > > 
> > > > The description of the function also doesn't say anything about a
> > > > requirement of the maple state, just that it replaces an already
> > > > existing entry.  You have to read the notes to find out that 'mas must
> > > > already locate an existing entry'.
> > > > 
> > > > > And we should provide this interface
> > > > > because it has better performance.
> > > > 
> > > > How much better is the performance?  There's always a trade off but
> > > > without numbers, this is hard to justify.
> > > I have implemented a new version of this pachset, and I will post it
> > > soon.
> > > 
> > > I tested the benefits of mas_replace_entry() in userspace.
> > > The test code is attached at the end.
> > > 
> > > Run three times:
> > > mas_replace_entry(): 2.7613050s 2.7120030s 2.7274200s
> > > mas_store():         3.8451260s 3.8113200s 3.9334160s
> > 
> > This runtime is too short, we should increase the number of elements or
> > loops until it is over 10 seconds.  This will make the setup time
> > and other variances less significant and we can use the command run time
> > as a rough estimate of performance. IIRC 134 was picked for a rough
> > estimate of an average task size so maybe increase the loops.
> I changed nr_entries to 1000, and the measured numbers are as follows:
> mas_replace_entry():	20.0375820s
> mas_store():		28.6175720s
> It can be seen that mas_store() is still nearly 40% slower.

To be clear, I didn't doubt your numbers or want you to rerun the
benchmark.  I was just saying we should increase the loops now that the
tree is faster.  It should allow for you to not need to use clock count
to see benefits - although they will always be more accurate.

Thanks,
Liam


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-18 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-26  8:09 [PATCH 00/11] Introduce mt_dup() to improve the performance of fork() Peng Zhang
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 01/11] maple_tree: Introduce ma_nonleaf_data_end{_nocheck}() Peng Zhang
2023-07-26 14:58   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-31  9:52     ` Peng Zhang
2023-07-31 16:08       ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 02/11] maple_tree: Validate MAPLE_ENODE and ma_nonleaf_data_end() Peng Zhang
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 03/11] maple_tree: Add some helper functions Peng Zhang
2023-07-26 15:02   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-26 15:08     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-31 11:45       ` Peng Zhang
2023-08-11 17:28         ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-31 11:40     ` Peng Zhang
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 04/11] maple_tree: Introduce interfaces __mt_dup() and mt_dup() Peng Zhang
2023-07-26 16:03   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-31 12:24     ` Peng Zhang
2023-07-31 16:27       ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-08-16 13:41         ` Peng Zhang
2023-08-16 18:30           ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-08-18 11:53             ` Peng Zhang
2023-08-18 16:13               ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 05/11] maple_tree: Add test for mt_dup() Peng Zhang
2023-07-26 16:06   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-31 12:32     ` Peng Zhang
2023-07-31 16:41       ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 06/11] maple_tree: Introduce mas_replace_entry() to directly replace an entry Peng Zhang
2023-07-26 16:08   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-31 12:39     ` Peng Zhang
2023-07-31 16:48       ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-08-16 13:11         ` Peng Zhang
2023-08-16 17:40           ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-08-18  9:39             ` Peng Zhang
2023-08-18 16:15               ` Liam R. Howlett [this message]
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 07/11] maple_tree: Update the documentation of maple tree Peng Zhang
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 08/11] maple_tree: Skip other tests when BENCH is enabled Peng Zhang
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 09/11] maple_tree: Update check_forking() and bench_forking() Peng Zhang
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 10/11] MAINTAINERS: Add co-maintainer for maple tree Peng Zhang
2023-07-26 16:39   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-31 12:55     ` Peng Zhang
2023-07-31 20:55       ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-26  8:09 ` [PATCH 11/11] fork: Use __mt_dup() to duplicate maple tree in dup_mmap() Peng Zhang
2023-07-26 17:06   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-07-31 12:59     ` Peng Zhang

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