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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"Luis Claudio R. Goncalves" <lgoncalv@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/page_alloc: Use write_seqlock_irqsave() instead write_seqlock() + local_irq_save().
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:35:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230623093525.ajhfET8r@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d5835b60-ad66-43da-2148-d9b582f38188@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On 2023-06-22 23:28:25 [+0900], Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> On 2023/06/22 23:11, Petr Mladek wrote:
> >> Question to Peter:
> >> Even if local_irq_save(flags) disables IRQ, NMI context can enqueue message via printk().
> >> When does the message enqueued from NMI context gets printed?
> > 
> > They are flushed to the console either by irq_work or by another
> > printk(). The irq_work could not be proceed when IRQs are disabled.
> 
> Is that rule same for both COMFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y and COMFIG_PREEMPT_RT=n ?
> 
> If yes, when Sebastian's patch is applied, IRQs will not be disabled for
> COMFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y kernels because write_seqlock_irqsave() is equivalent
> with write_seqlock() because spin_lock_irqsave(lock, flags) is equivalent
> with spin_lock(lock), and

So why do you accept that spin_lock_irqsave() does not disable
interrupts on PREEMPT_RT but not that printk() is different and has
dedicated printing threads?
Regarding printk:
- dedicated printking thread is used.
- in emergcy cases a different driver is used which does not rely on
  lock held by tty.

> > But another non-deferred printk() would try to flush them immediately.
> > 
> >> If there is a possibility
> >> that the message enqueued from NMI context gets printed between
> >> "write_seqlock_irqsave(&zonelist_update_seq, flags) and printk_deferred_enter()" or
> >> "printk_deferred_exit() and write_sequnlock_irqrestore(&zonelist_update_seq, flags)" ?
> >> If yes, we can't increment zonelist_update_seq.seqcount before printk_deferred_enter()...
> > 
> > It might happen when a printk() is called in these holes.
> 
> printk() can happen between these holes for COMFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y kernels.
> We will need to call printk_deferred_enter() before incrementing
> zonelist_update_seq.seqcount in order to close these holes.

The only hole is the possible lockdep splat which I'm going to change…

Sebastian


  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-23  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-21 10:40 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 10:59 ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-21 11:16   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 11:49     ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-21 13:11       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 13:22         ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-21 13:25           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 11:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-21 11:33 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-21 12:40   ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-21 13:08     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 13:06   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 13:32     ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-21 14:34       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 14:50         ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-21 23:24           ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-22  7:18             ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-22 10:58               ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-22 12:09                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-22 13:36             ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-22 14:11               ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-22 14:28                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-23  9:35                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2023-06-22 15:04                 ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-22 15:43                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-23  9:45                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23  9:51                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-23 10:11                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23 10:36                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-23 12:44                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23 12:57                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-23 10:53                           ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-23 11:16                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-06-23 13:31                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23 15:38                               ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-23 16:04                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23  9:31               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23  7:27           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-21 15:38         ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-23  8:12           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23  9:21             ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-23  9:58               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23 10:43                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-23 10:45                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23 10:50                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-06-23 11:32                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-23 10:40             ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-23 13:24               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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