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From: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@Oracle.com>
To: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
Cc: "Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
	"Martijn Coenen" <maco@android.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@android.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/3] Revert "android: binder: stop saving a pointer to the VMA"
Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 10:40:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230518144052.xkj6vmddccq4v66b@revolver> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZEmU8ULSEQhDVyX+@google.com>

* Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com> [230426 17:17]:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 09:43:28PM -0400, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> > * Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com> [230424 19:11]:
> > > 
> > > The specifics are in the third patch of this patchset but the gist of it
> > > is that during ->mmap() handler, binder will complete the initialization
> > > of the binder_alloc structure. With the last step of this process being
> > > the caching of the vma pointer. Since the ordering is protected with a
> > > barrier we can then check alloc->vma to determine if the initialization
> > > has been completed.
> > > 
> > > Since this check is part of the critical path for every single binder
> > > transaction, the performance plummeted when we started contending for
> > > the mmap_lock. In this particular case, binder doesn't actually use the
> > > vma.
> > 
> > So why does binder_update_page_range() take the mmap_read_lock then use
> > the cached vma in the reverted patch?
> > 
> > If you want to use it as a flag to see if the driver is initialized, why
> > not use the cached address != 0?
> > 
> > Or better yet,
> > 
> > >It only needs to know if the internal structure has been fully
> > > initialized and it is safe to use it.
> > 
> > This seems like a good reason to use your own rwsem.  This is,
> > essentially, rolling your own lock with
> > smp_store_release()/smp_load_acquire() and a pointer which should not be
> > cached.
> 
> We can't use an rwsem to protect the initialization. We already have an
> alloc->mutex which would be an option. However, using it under ->mmap()
> would only lead to dead-locks with the mmap_lock.
> 
> I agree with you that we could use some other flag instead of the vma
> pointer to signal the initialization. I've actually tried several times
> to come up with a scenario in which caching the vma pointer becomes an
> issue to stop doing this altogether. However, I can't find anything
> concrete.
> 
> I don't think the current solution in which we do all these unnecessary
> vma lookups is correct. Instead, I'm currently working on a redesign of
> this section in which binder stops to allocate/insert pages manually. We
> should be making use of the page-fault handler and let the infra handle
> all the work. The overall idea is here:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZEGh4mliGHvyWIvo@google.com/
> 
> It's hard to make the case for just dropping the vma pointer after ~15
> years and take the performance hit without having an actual issue to
> support this idea. So I'll revert this for now and keep working on the
> page-fault solution.
> 

I came across this [1] when I was looking into something else and
thought I'd double back and make sure your fix for this UAF is also
included, since your revert will restore this bug.

I do still see the mmap_read_lock() in binder_update_page_range() vs the
required mmap_write_lock(), at least in my branch.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20221104175450.306810-1-cmllamas@google.com/

Thanks,
Liam


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-18 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20230424205548.1935192-1-cmllamas@google.com>
     [not found] ` <20230424205548.1935192-2-cmllamas@google.com>
2023-04-24 22:34   ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-04-24 23:11     ` Carlos Llamas
2023-04-25  1:43       ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-04-26 21:17         ` Carlos Llamas
2023-05-18 14:40           ` Liam R. Howlett [this message]
2023-05-18 17:03             ` Carlos Llamas

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